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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by MadMax, Mar 24, 2003.

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  1. ROXRAN

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    I hate trees and shoot at them because those liberal squirrels live in trees and it makes it harder to hit them, so I gain a marginal sense of satisfaction in hitting trees...The 147 grain .308 round in fmj can often go clean through a tree, while a .223 doesn't always achieve this effect, except the 62 grain penetrator round...
     
  2. Batman Jones

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    You are living proof of the converse.

    Chance:

    I've been meaning to post something like Mrs. JB did. It may well be true that your friends, by virtue of dressing differently (appearance uber alles, right?), somehow escape your usual vitriol towards the left. But consider for a moment how you would feel if every lefty on this board referred to every righty, in EVERY single political post as an inbred, redneck, moneygrubbing, heartless, soulless, hypocritical woman hater, but also said they had Republican friends. And consider further that when called on it, they said, "Well, MY Republican friends dress better." It's almost enough to make me want to boycott the Yao Ming song.

    Max:

    I really do hate George W. I really do think he's a spoiled, woefully undereducated, smarmy brat. But that's got nothing to do with what I, or so many people around the world have against this war. You've read many thoughtful arguments against this war (as I have read thoughtful arguments for it). It's insulting, after all the anti-this war crowd has posted here for you to insinuate it's nothing more than a personal beef.
     
  3. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    lmao! ah, I love the smell of derailed threads in the morning...
    :D (not that I'm taking credit/blame here)
     
  4. The Real Shady

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    Considering that the average age of a president is 67.5 it's too old for me.
     
  5. The Real Shady

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    The average age that a president dies is 67.5.
     
  6. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    67.5, really? It must be all the stress.

    What's the average life expectancy for an American male?

    I wonder what the record is for a president's lifespan?
     
  7. mrpaige

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    And that a lot of them lived in times when the life expectancy wasn't nearly as long.

    Plus, those guys like Kennedy dying in office drag down the average a little.
     
  8. DVauthrin

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    It's not political for me.

    It's the fact the United States is setting itself up for another cold war type era, and yet none of Bush's advisers bothered to explain this to him.

    September 11th is about a year and a half removed and it seems we have learned nothing about why it happened.

    It told me The Middle East really doesn't like us at all right now and that if we aren't careful we could seriously damage our relationship with that part of the world for years.

    So what are we doing as our next move?

    Attacking that same area of the world. I'm really afraid we have built a powderkeg situation that is about to explode right in our faces.

    I don't like Saddam, but now is not the time to use force to take him out of power.

    Good idea, horrific timing if you ask me.
     
  9. FranchiseBlade

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    I'm at least somewhat anti-this war. I don't think all protestors are only anti-war because they are anti-Bush, but I do feel there is a significant percentage that are protesting because it's the anti-Bush thing to do.

    Talking about pro-Bush is one thing, but a questiong I would like to have answered is: How many people are anti-protestor because of the image of hippy mal-contents and images of vandalism that have been shown on the news.
     
  10. mrpaige

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    92 years so far - Ronald Reagan

    Interestingly, John Adams (our 2nd President) lived to be 90, as did Herbert Hoover. Gerald Ford will turn 90 this year, assuming he makes it until July 14.

    The shortest life span of a President was John F. Kennedy, who died at age 46.

    Garfield was the 2nd youngest at death at age 49 (also assassinated).

    For the record, Jimmy Carter is 78, as is George H.W. Bush. Clinton is 56.
     
  11. rimrocker

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    I'm anti-Bush and anti-this war.

    I was once anti-Bush and pro-that war.

    I was also once anti-Reagan and pro-that sort-of war.

    I was also once anti-Nixon and anti-that war.

    If I had been out of single digits, I suspect I would have been anti-LBJ and anti-that war, but since LBJ was from Texas, all us schoolkids adored him.

    If I was older, I think I would have been pro-Truman and anti-that war, pro-FDR and pro-that war, pro-Wilson and pro that war, and anti-Mckinley and anti-that war.

    The reasons I'm anti-this war are many, and certainly some have to do with Bush personally, but mainly, it has to do with the policies he's implemented. I don't want Saddam running a country, but the way we've gone about dealing with that problem has cost us much of the good will that we built up over the last century, not to mention lives.

    Regarding terrorists, I think we took a bunch of losers who were able to pull off 9/11 and elevated them beyond what they deserve and in so doing, we have diminished ourselves. We are too fixated on the tactics of dealing with terrorists and not paying enough attention to the grand ideas and successful strategy that allowed to come out of a century of war as the winner.

    I also don't think we can draw a line between domestic and foreign anymore. An argument could be made that the first round of tax cuts were simply ill-advised. To press forward with a new round under the current conditions seems irresponsible... and then there's Ashcroft and all he represents.

    I'm also upset with the Dems, who seem to be the "loyal opposition" in the worst sense. This is not the party that set up the political infrastructure and theory that won the Cold War or the party that was brave enough to rip itself apart over civil rights... these folks are, for the most part, wimps. Instead of action, they prefer to sit back and hope something good eventually happens.

    These are dark days for an unreconstructed New Deal Democrat.:mad:
     
  12. MadMax

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    you mean UNLIKE MadMax, I assume...I never said that. I don't think that.
     
  13. MadMax

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    you always take my posts and see soooo much more than what was intended. I'm asking for commentary here. I cited a CNN story where they said the poll data made it appear as if disdain for this war was really more political in nature than anything else. then i asked the question.

    yes, i've read some thoughtful commentary here...but i've also read commentary that is anything but thoughtful...stuttering of the word halliburton incessantly comes to mind...I think for many it is absolutely a personal beef. The same way it was for many opposed to anything Bill Clinton did.

    stop trying to pick fights all the time, Batman...it's unbecoming.
     
  14. The Real Shady

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    Sorry, I meant Manny Ramirez.
     
  15. Chance

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    She hugged a tree
    instead of me
    and left me sappy
    oh how i wish my pappy could comfort me
    She hugged a tree
    and left me
    with nothing but a shrub of a girlfriend named Kimmy

    She smelled like dirt
    we could have worked
    it out if she gave me a chance
    She wouldn't eat meat
    Only veggies
    She didn't like my stance

    On the topic of the rainforest
    I thought we should mow them down
    And use all of the wood
    To make Alaskan drilling rigs that dig the ground
    Of wildlife preservations
    I have no reservations...
    I have no reservations...

    But that lovely hippy disagreed.
    I poked holes in the gas tank of my SUV.
    To get my gallons per mile up
    I always burn strofoam cups

    ...just to watch the smoke.
    ...just to watch the pretty black carcinogenic smoke.

    And sometimes I would throw away all of my canned food
    So that it would go to waste and not do good
    In some 3rd world country that I can't pronounce
    ...Oh some third world country that ends in -stan or -ia

    She hugged a tree
    instead of me
    and left me sappy
    oh how i wish my pappy could comfort me
    She hugged a tree
    and left me
    with nothing but a shrub of a girlfriend named Kimmy
     
  16. mrpaige

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    Okay, put it to music and you've got yourself solid gold, baby!
     
  17. DVauthrin

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    Nice song Chance ;).

    ROFLMAO, sorry.
     
  18. DVauthrin

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    Say that with a british accent and you might be a famous cinema producer one day, Mr. Paige :D
     
  19. Woofer

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    There has been zero or false proof shown with respect to the terrorist allegations. However, this is what motivates public support for this conflict, so the Bushies went with that. I really don't care about the chemical and biological WMD, it's ridiculously hard to use effectively as a more than a nuisance terrorist tactic. The Bushies let us down with respect to nuclear proliferation. They went after the weak sister of the "axis" without nuclear arms, and tried to end our funding of the cleanup of biggest source of nuclear material for *dirty* bombs and real nuclear bombs, the former Soviet Union, and don't really seem interested in doing much about the radioactive material floating around.

    http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030324-112241-4509r

    from www.imdb.com !

    Partisans on Both Sides Denounce TV Coverage


    As the war in Iraq moved into its fifth day, criticism of television's coverage has escalated from both the right and the left. Saturday's New York Times quoted Eric Alterman, author of What Liberal Media? as charging that public "support for this war is in part a reflection that the media has allowed the Bush administration to get away with misleading the American people." At the same time, the conservative Media Research Center posted a summary of ABC's war coverage on its website titled "Peter's [Jennings] Peace Platoon: ABC's Crusade Against 'Arrogant' American Power." But Conrad Smith, chairman of the Department of Communications and Mass Media at the University of Wyoming, told the Casper Star-Tribune: "Certainly, when a war starts, to my dismay, it becomes unpatriotic to make any criticism of any decisions about war. But I don't think that's a media bias -- I think that's a cultural bias. ... I guess everybody thinks that a report that doesn't include their viewpoint is on the other side of the political spectrum, but I think it's a crock. Most news organizations, I think, are very mainstream and very centrist." Nevertheless, they appear not to be clarifying the issues of the war adequately to the American public, the Times suggested on Saturday, pointing out that a recent New York Times/CBS News Poll showed that nearly half of Americans wrongly believe that Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the Sept. 11 attacks and a poll taken by Knight Ridder indicates that half the public believes that Iraqis were among the hijackers.
     
  20. Chance

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    I'll see what I can do.
     

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