This years rockets personnel + JVG > than this years personnel + Rick Adelman

VanGundy had his opportunities to do something in the post season and never did. What helps to make this team better, these players really want to play for RA. TMac is rejuvinated, and MJ / Bonzi / Francis would rather play for RA IMO.

So let's move on and enjoy the season.

 

I fully expect the Rockets to lose about 10 games more than last year and squeak into the playoffs. The reason why I think this is that the starters haven't gelled. The system is new. Lots of new players, new system and a lot of guys don't get this high post offense and making hard cuts to get open and setting pick and rolls in the right places and passing with precise timing. I think that it'll be about December or January before we start really clicking on all cylinders if even then. I think next year our record will be much stronger once the players get used to playing with each other.

We should be good to go by playoff time though. The team should have gelled by then.

 

No doubt in my mind Adelman for Van Gundy was a good move. It's the bball version of Gruden in to close for Dungy, or the Rockets version of Riley subbing in for Van Gundy. I was watching that thread about pre-season rankings, and you know how Hollinger has us at 1 (Conf) and 1 (Overall) this year? Well Scoop Jackson did that to us last year, and you know what his explanation was? Our AWESOME influx of talent. Battier and Bonzi and Snyder and VSpan and tigers and bears! And what did JVG do, yep, he stuck to all his old guns and just slotted Battier into that "generic Ryan Bowen spot up and shoot that three and take the charge" roster spot instead.

You look at everyone on this roster now, and yes as people have previously said Bonzi and Stevie would be six ways from sunset outta here. And all the new guys, who we've been touted for bringing along, would probably be riding the pine just the same. Scola? Can't play good enough D, bring back Chuck Wagon to start. Ditto for Brooks, Novak, and Butler. The ONLY guy we'd add to our rotation from last year would be Mike James, just because he's one of JVG's "in"-guys already. Offensive scheme? Throw it into Yao 40 times a game, pray he only turns it over 5 times rather than 10, and that the bone he breaks midseason is a rib rather than one associated with the leg-ish-area.

So give Adelman a chance before you knock him. THere's a ton of new pieces that need some time ot fit together. It's almost Time. Not yet tho.

 

Scola is a turnover machine...and we all know where that line of thinking goes.

 

Is everyone in this topic nostalgic already or what?

Just compare the post-season records and achievements of the two coaches.

 

Tell me about it. The irony is, with JVG, we would never have this kinda personels to use. Will Bonzi stay? Will MJ come? Will Steve come?

 

And you can tell that from a few preseason games.

 

Sure.

JVG: 44-44, 1 Finals appearance, 0 titles
RA: 70-68, 2 Finals appearances, 0 titles

So RA has the edge in Finals appearances, but JVG took the 8th seeded Knicks to the Finals. Both have about .500 records in the playoffs.

Not much of a difference, only a slight edge to Adelman.

 

Some of you guys are amazing. He hasn't even coached a regular season game for the Rockets yet and you're already ripping the guy, wanting JVG back and act like he has never done anything. Nevermind he turned Portland into title contenders and a couple of Finals appearances. Or took a Sacramento team with Divac and a Webber, who didn't want to be there, and made them title contenders. The guy suddenly "can't adjust" and JVG would do better with the team. Insanity.

 

Difference: RA's teams were in the much deeper west. He also turned a down and out Kings team into a contender in a short amount of time.

 

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exactly.

is it just me or do u guys also feel disgusted when Coach 'A' always mentioned the name of Divac and Yao at the same time? does Yao really have to be like Divac to help Rockets win?

there's no doubt Mr."A" is a prooved great coach and the best one that we could ever get for this team right now, but i truly didn't feel Divac was so impressive even in his prime except for the diving skills.

 

He compares Divac and Yao in the respect that both were really good passers and Yao is going to have to pass more to make this offense better. Again, you guys haven't even seen a regular season game and you're freaking out.

 

RA made his title runs when the West was weak; the Magic/Kareem dynasty had ended, Hakeem had no support, Robinson had no support, no Shaq, no Duncan. The Eastern Conference was the dominant conference back then, and not only because of Jordan.

On the subject of "ripping him already," I didn't want him hired at all. I wanted Larry Brown or Rick Carlisle. I have consistently disliked Adelman's ways and these preseason games have given me reason to dislike them more.

 

people can say "JVG had his chance" all they want, but that's just not a good argument when all things are taken into consideration. This team has something it hasnt had in a long time. Versatile players and a wealth of talent on the bench. Regardless of the coach, you cannot disagree with the prior statment.

I think JVG could win with this team. I think RA can win with this team. I dont see how a reasonably objective person could disagree with either statement. They are both very good coaches. period.

Personal preference is basically what comes into play concerning which coach you prefer.

There are 2 things that lead me toward a JVG preference. 1) I think he squeezes more out of his teams and players overall (if they are committed to winning). 2) his pre/post game comments

I guess I could add a 3rd...call me old fashioned but i like a stout defense, controlling the tempo and precise execution in the half court. However, you could easily say that both coaches preach these things but in a slightly different manner

 

I understand the point RA is trying to make, i.e. yao can effectively pass and hit the jump shot from the outside, and thats true. But i agree that i hate hearing vlade and yao in the same sentence on pure principle alone

 

I think people should just get it over with and start the "Fire Adelman" threads. You know they're just itching to do it.

 

Adelman hasn't started yet so that would be the best idea i've ever heard to fire him. ANd bring JVG Back

 

WHile you are at it start these threads just incase they lose in the playoffs :

"RA didnt develop Novak",
"RA cant adjust, its always the motion offense",
"RA didnt develop aaron brooks",
"RA should have played Snyder"
etc

 

You people are funny , if JVG was here Bonzi wouldn't have stayed and it's safe to say Francis wouldn't either.
After a preseason loss suddenly JVG is already better than Adelman , it's preseason.
Adelman said:"When the season starts I will put you in the low post".
"I just want to see how you and other guys fit the offense".
He said he will put Yao in the low post I don't understand all this complaining.
It's preseason , it's time to experiment.
Whats wrong with Yao being in the high post when the plays aren't called for him , it creates space for others and he doesn't need to bang down low for nothing.
In JVG's first year with Mcgrady we started SLOWWWW , it might happen this year as well.
Thats what happens with a new coach , new system , new players and a tough schedule to begin.

 

And another thing I forgot , if Yao would have taken half the amount of jumpers Yao took last night some people in here would've gone nuts.