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This years rockets personnel + JVG > than this years personnel + Rick Adelman

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by SamFisher, Oct 26, 2007.

  1. abcdef

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    There was zero honeymoon with me. I didn't want him to be hired, period. I knew what bad things could happen if Yao were placed in the high post and today I saw them all. No open cutters, defender swarming Yao to prevent him from shooting i.e. HE'S DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING STANDING AT THE ELBOW. Add that to the fact that the Rockets would feed any post player EXCEPT him. You see your best post player post up, you swing the ball and run something on the weak side, what the hell??? Why do you want to make the best center in the NBA into a big stiff?

    If Adelman doesn't adjust and put Yao back in the low post I want him fired. In fact I've been leaning towards that already but I'm holding out hope that he'll adjust come Tuesday.
     
  2. v3.0

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    Let's give it about 20-30 games into the season and we'll see if Adelman's system is meshing with the players. I wish they would have kept Thibadeau as an assistant though.
     
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    I neither agree nor disagree... I think getting RA was a pretty lateral move.

    ... But I don't think Adelman has any ambitions to turn us into the Suns. People need to freakin get over that. He will improve our offense, but I don't think we're planning on being anywhere near that fast paced.
     
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    JVG would have LOVED Scola. There's no question for me that Scola would have gotten a ton of minutes, and the whole "JVG hates foreign rookies" argument would be put to bed.

    Bonzi, of course, would have been on the first flight out of Houston. And although he says he had no problem with JVG, I'm not sure Francis would have chosen to come back either.

    So the equation for me would be:

    (This year's rockets personnel + JVG) - (Bonzi + Francis)
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    This year's personnel + Rick Adelman

    If Bonzi finally lives up to the hype, Adelman has the edge.
     
  5. Carl Herrera

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    It's too soon to make judgment on Adelman. Way too soon. Anyone who thinks they know Adelman and this team right now have some suprises coming. It's going to take some time, but it'll turn out good.

    Better than JVG with this same roster? Who knows.
     
  6. Mad-Mac

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    This thread is ridiculous. Making any type of conclusions based off pre-season games is futile. At least give the man a month before you decide to start dumping on him.

    That said, I still believe this was the right move. A mini-shakeup was needed after the constant playoff failures. Would you rather have kept JVG and shipped off T-Mac or Yao? I, for one am excited to wait and see. The season is long, jumping to conclusions before it begins doesn't help anything.
     
  7. doublehh03

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    how would u know he would love scola? JVG might not play scola after how poorly scola shot in the first quarter and went straight to hayes knowing how he loves hayes and doesn't take shots from tmac/yao
     
  8. doublehh03

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    it's not only too soon, he should not be judged by preseason where u won't use most of the players that played nor would u use most of the plays that he ran.

    his playbook will be cut in half and that's prolie most of yao's high post plays.
     
  9. SamFisher

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    GATER, considering you seem to harbor disdain for pretty much every single thing about the Rockets, including, inter alia, their players, coaches, management, and everything else, no matter who is in charge, be it a middle aged male american of northern european descent, or a middle aged male american of northern european descent - I'm hard pressed to interpret your criticism as serious. You hate Hayes. You hate Battier. You hate Alston. You hate van gundy fro using Battier and Hayes and Alston. Obviously you must hate Adelman for doing the same. YOu hate Francis. Not sure if you hate James but at this point have lost track, so....yeah. ok, I will heed you as the voice of non pre-judgment?
     
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    I don't miss JVG as much as Tom Thibodeau.

    Yao looked freaking lost out there... I wish Thibodeau is still here to point out Yao's mistakes. Sigh...
     
  11. SamFisher

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    a post I had typed earlier but my connection cut off andI was playing halo 3:

    With respect to Van Gundy, one of the funny things is that, despite his reputation as a half-court, walk it up, bang it out, post it up coach, among his more remarkable achievements, IMO, were:

    1. taking the 1999 Knicks (sans Ewing, which was a BIG deal at the time, see Bill Simmons inanity for more details) on a pretty improbable playoff run featuring a team that capitalized on turnovers, defense, and well-timed running - as well as some improbable distance shooting by Ward & LJ - to the finals and beating some better teams along the way.

    2. keeping the Yao-less 06-07 Rockets afloat and actually managing to increase their productivity and efficiency (IIRC, maybe I'm wrong?) despite having only Juwan Howard as his main inside scoring threat and wiht a pretty spotty cast of characters otherwise.

    Very ironic that both times it took the loss of a dominant post player for him to excel given his tendencies/preconceptions.
     
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    Well obviously, it's my opinion. No way to prove it either way.

    But from what I've seen so far, Scola looks to be the type of hardworking hustle player who does the little things that JVG likes. His defense is reportedly not is strong suit (which I haven't seen enough of yet to say either way) but I could see him thriving under JVG.

    And yes, Van Gundy loved Hayes, but not because he didn't take shots from the two stars. In fact, in the beginning of last season, JVG was looking for a PF with a mid-range shot to take pressure off Yao, according to reports. He thought Battier could be that PF, but changed his mind early on.
    Definitely, JVG liked Hayes, but he also knew he needed more from that position. And with an offensive game to go with his hustle, Scola would have been an excellent fit for JVG's system.
     
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    ok. but knowing JVG, if scola played a bad game, he'll pull the switch to hayes REAL fast knowing how he trusts hayes and his style of play
     
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    not really. it's just some of the yao fans on here just don't fail to realize that adelman is EXPERIMENTING to see IF yao can operate effectively out there.

    i mean, what better time to do it when games don't count
     
  17. SamFisher

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    Adelman also loves Hayes and has relied on him heavily thus far. Same with Battier. It's not just JVG.
     
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    but you're seeing scola is playing more like the starter, hayes coming off the bench.

    and EVERYBODY loves battier. not just JVG. the US loves him and that's why he was on the USA team :D
     
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    But hey, u never know.
    only a few people was worried, but as the preseason goes, more and more people jumped in. You had admit, Yao doesnt look pretty in the high post.
     
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    How would you like it if he experimented with McGrady and told him to not look for his own shot and instead to crash the boards and get his points from offensive rebounds?

    In retrospect that's comparable to how ridiculous the high post experiment was. It had better go away fast. I am hoping it was only an experiment, because I didn't like what I saw at all.
     

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