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This team will rebuild- there is no choice.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by rhester, Dec 21, 2007.

  1. jump shooter

    jump shooter Member

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    And your saying this with 56 games still left in the season. :D
     
  2. Cohen

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    Who else have these 'worst teams' defeated?
    Memphis: San Antonio, Orlando
    Miami: Phoenix
    Sacramento: Utah, San Antonio, Detroit
    Philadelphia: Cleveland


    Are you aware that Phoenix also lost to both Miami and Minnesota, both in their respective conference cellars? Dallas has lost to a bunch of mid-level/mediocre teams from the East: Atlanta, Indiana, Toronto, Washington, Milwaukee. Utah just recently was swept by all of the good teams, along with losses to Atlanta, Indiana, Portland, Charlotte, and New York. They've lost 8 of their last 10.

    No top team is close to 100% against the teams they 'should beat' except Boston (who haven't proven much success against top teams which is all that matters in the post-season).
     
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  3. northeastfan

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    After we don't make the playoffs this year, at least we can say we beat the Spurs and the Suns. Again, moral victories are all we'll be able to get this year. It serves us right because the other kinds are tangible.
     
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    I just don't recall the team having such a lack of energy or hustle under JVG. I could be wrong. That seems to be the biggest issue under RA as opposed to offensive scheme IMO.
     
  5. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I am very thankful that there are more level-headed folks running the Rockets.

    No one is going to blow-this team up after 26 games into the season with a new offense.

    Granted, it's been a disappointing start - but I see progress from the Denver game...really good progress. Our offense looked fantastic the second half. Now we just have to integrate t-mac into that offense and we'll be fine.

    Let that happen first, and see what happens, before calling for rebuilding. Yes, we're lacking a 3rd scorer, and that may always be a problem, but trading your best scorer away isn't going to solve that problem.
     
  6. northeastfan

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    I hate to say this but we looked good against the Nuggets only because we could play our shrimps at the 2. Against other teams with big SGs, we invariably get toasted.
     
  7. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    You know what's scary - as awful as our guys have been offensively, and it's been quite awful.....

    We're still beating and competing with some very good teams. Orlando went to the wire, Denver to triple OT, we beat Detroit, We've beaten Denver, SA, Phoenix, and Utah.

    Imagine how we might be if we get the offensive issues worked out. Do you think a new coach deserves perhaps a bit more then 26 games to install a new system? No? Yes?
     
  8. northeastfan

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    Someone has mentioned the fact that sometimes bad teams beat good ones. I think we should put ourselves squarely in the bad team category that was lucky to pull off a few games against the good ones.

    It is not the coach although I think JVG works a lot better with these players. It is the players. We have 2 all stars, 1 or 2 players who would do well off the bech and all the rest are rookies or scrubs.
     
  9. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    yeah, there are a lot of scrubs, but ya know what, there's nothing anyone can do about it. We don't have salary cap room, and the draft isn't going to help us. We can start over, and then you're talking maybe 4 or 5 years to get back to this place where we are at. Now what's the bigger risk? Throw away all of that and start over with the unknown? Look at Chicago man. It's not easy to build a contender in the NBA - if it was, everyone would just start over.

    T-mac and Yao aren't old...they are not going to give up on them, certainly not this season.
     
  10. krosfyah

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    This team CAN be tweaked. We need to get reliable PG play that can hit open 3's and provide some toughness. (Of course nearly every team needs that, right).

    Like the mid-season pickups of Jon Barry, Wesley and Sura, we can improve this team and make it interesting in the playoffs.

    BUT it won't matter.

    If I'm Morey, I try to move TMac right now esp if you can get anything decent in return. You gotta try. And you can't just dump this whole team. Unlike past years, we have a lot of tradable assets now. So I think if you packaged TMac with one or two other decent players, we could get some legitimate peices in return. But we'd have to get a good lottery pick or one good young player for the future.

    If management doesn't respond boldly here, I think Rhester's outlook is right. A little tweak won't do it. Trade TMac or we're stuck in mediocracy.
     
  11. rhester

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    I'm not against Adelman, just against the timing of the Van Gundy firing.

    At this point I don't think we can get value for TMac. I am not sure at all and I have no way of knowing if we could get value in return but I wouldn't just give TMac away.

    I think at this point I would focus on a third scoring option. Someone who could score when injury or game situation put Yao or TMac out.

    Any trade for TMac would have to give us scoring punch because we don't win without him drawing so much defensive attention (in other words the rest of the roster is weak)

    I would consider TMac for Stackhouse, Jason Terry, filler and a #1 pick, but that is still not quite the value I place on a healthy Tracy. Plus Dallas is in our division.

    I would also consider a trade with Utah, Chicago and New Jersey but I don't think we are going to get value in return.

    The truth is when TMac is healthy he really carries this team.

    We can't trade Yao because he is just too good in the post and I don't think there is any way to get the same value in return.

    I would sit still on this roster and look for draft picks in minor deals.

    I think the biggest problem is Yao having to re-create himself into a Divacs style player who gives up touches in the paint to create from the post. Yao doesn't have the hands and quickness to get off his outside shot consistently.
    He does have a height advantage so I think if he is left in this system long enough he will develop a good fade away shot. Then he will be able to be a dominant go to player.

    Right now I just don't see how our defense is going to shut down teams with multiple scoring options and good PG's. We don't have good perimeter on the ball defenders.

    So I really think we need to be scoring 100 ppg to have a chance at the playoffs.

    I can't help it, this team will have to rebuild for Adelman to succeed.
     
  12. el_locoteee

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    If you want to rebuild, then convert yourself to a Hawks fan they always in rebuilt mode.

    Every time that a team start rebuilding they never go anywhere. Houston have more than 10 years without winning a playoff series, Rebuilding going to take another 5 to 6 years and that doesn't guarantee nothing. Are ppl willing to wait that long? No.

    56 game left and we are in a race, don't panic.
     
  13. BrooksBall

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    Point #2 is just a joke.

    You also forgot point #5: The current mess is an indirect and direct result of Les' poor management decisions over the last decade.
     
  14. thesaint

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    The only problem with this team is leadership. No one steps up and carrying the team on his back. A leader makes other players better. Clearly Tmac does not show any leadership skills n is injury prone. Yao is a great player but he cant take the leadership load. The only option i see is let tmac play good games for a while n create higher market value n then trade him n get another superstar in return, that has leadership quality which is going to be tough.

    This team is going nowhere if Tmac is injury prone n lacks leadership role. The day he plays to show hunger for championship, like Kobe, Wade, Lebron n KG, this team will be at another level.

    I dont blame the role players at all, because thats what they r, role players. If the superstars itself are under performing then role players r gonna suck. Sueprstars make role players better. There r days when role players have to step up when superstars have a bad game, but those dont come often, n that applies to every team.
     
  15. Laoyi

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    If trading Yao, I am sure Rox can take advantage over another team.


     

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