This team will never win anything with Brock Osweiler at QB!

Wait you think Oz is playing well this year? Not trying to start an argument or anything; I am genuinely curious for your view point. You think it's an o line issue, Hopkins, etc?

 

Yes, I asked him point blank to answer the question and he said Brock is playing above average. Excuses equal OLine and Hopkins...probably coaching. Basically, everyone but Brock is the problem.

 

I accept that some people think that and they are fully entitled to being wrong if they like. For the most part it's overly sentimental people making those arguments because they hate to think that their heroes of the past would get destroyed today so they write stories saying that it's not fair to compare them because of rule changes or other excuses. It's been like that forever.

I'm not overly sentimental, so I just see things for what they are. The league has improved....all of them. As such you have to be better today than you once did because the people you are playing against are also better than they once were. .

Anyway this is still completely off topic and I have no hope that it is going anywhere....so let's move on.

 

Was that intended to me?

I think his play is inconsistent and I think he hasn't had a lot of help. The O line play has been poor, and his WR's haven't helped him very much by getting open, holding on to the ball, and by not straight up creating interceptions. I think when he's had time he's been good and he's got an upside that is MUCH higher of any of the garbage we've had in recent years.....but we haven't gotten to see that as often as I'd like for a host of reasons.

When you have young QB's who are adjusting to a new system, you simply can't have them running for their life on every play, it's enough to throw the best of QB's off their game.

 

In my opinion all of the above have been the problems. Brock, Hopkins, Oline, Runningbacks, Special Teams, and most of all COACHING.

 

Sure...that's different than, everyone is the problem, but Brock is playing above average.

 

Guys settle down, lets all just get along and agree that Oz is pretty awful.

 

Agreed.

 

This is a pretty good take. Run game has been abysmal due to o-line and pass game has been abysmal due to Brock (above average pass protection).

 

http://www.rollingstone.com/sports/brock-osweilers-2016-season-is-a-football-disaster-w444902

Fricking Rolling Stone sh*tting on Brock

Rocket River

 

I think the funniest part of that is the "Trevor Siemian Could Be the Most Interesting Quarterback Story of 2016" part. Man, they really picked a bad week to suck that guy's dick. It was what, 5 days after they published that before the Broncos lost to the lowly Chargers largely because Trevor Siemian was terrible....not a good look Rolling Stone. Had they blown him a month ago like everyone else, they could distance themselves from those comments.

 

Too soon. 5 games is not enough of a sample size. Need a full season to determine level of "bust" or whether this was a premature conclusion.

 

None of them on the offensive side is really playing good football.

 

NFL experts weigh in on Brock Osweiler's start with Texans
Jury remains out on whether quarterback eventually will amount to much
http://www.houstonchronicle.com/spo...hp?t=2f88f080b0438d9cbb&cmpid=twitter-premium

The football skidded across the ground, an unintended bounce pass intended for uncovered tight end Ryan Griffin that was short-armed by towering Texans quarterback Brock Osweiler. It was a puzzling misfire, sans pressure, on third down during what should have been a routine throw against the Minnesota Vikings last Sunday, a 31-13 debacle of a loss. Eyebrows are being raised in NFL circles about Osweiler during a rocky start to his tenure with the Texans.

Signed to a four-year, $72 million contract that included $37 million guaranteed as an investment on potential more so than past accomplishments during four seasons with the Denver Broncos, Osweiler has struggled mightily heading into a pivotal AFC South Division clash against the Indianapolis Colts on Sunday night at NRG Stadium.

"That throw on third down kind of made me scratch my head and wonder, 'Is this guy pressing or losing confidence in himself or the direction of the offense?' Because Brock has to be able to make that throw when there's no one in his face," said an NFL personnel executive speaking on condition of anonymity. "I know Brock hasn't started a ton of games and he had a ideal situation: being coached by Gary Kubiak, mentored by Peyton Manning, throwing to Demaryius Thomas. But the Texans didn't pay this guy that kind of money to have this little production.

"It's early, but he's not looking very good as far as how he handles blitzes and stunts, how long he takes to get the football out, the location of his throws, how he reads defenses. Can he still become a good quarterback? The jury is still out on that one. The honest answer right now is: I don't know. Check back with me at the end of the season."

Osweiler has only started a dozen career games, including a 5-2 mark with the eventual Super Bowl champion Broncos last season. However, Osweiler hasn't been nearly as efficient for the 3-2 Texans.

With seven interceptions offsetting six touchdowns, Osweiler is tied with embattled Miami Dolphins quarterback Ryan Tannehill for the third-most interceptions in the league. He has completed 58 percent of his throws for 1,133 yards and a 70.6 passer rating, ranking him 40th among all NFL quarterbacks behind rookie starters Carson Wentz and Dak Prescott, new Broncos starter Trevor Siemian plus Los Angeles Rams starter Case Keenum.

The 6-8, 235-pound Osweiler is regarded as a work in progress who holds vast potential and has arrived at something of an early crossroads in his career.

"Osweiler is a young quarterback in a complex system who's not quite ready yet," said Greg Cosell, a senior analyst for NFL Films. "The reality is Osweiler isn't handling pressure real well, so teams are going to blitz him. He is a tall, lanky kid, an overstrider who needs functional space to throw the ball effectively. It was fascinating to me watching them have six offensive linemen in the game on third down, and you never see that. But they know they need to protect him.

"He's not a very good pocket mover. I'm not saying he never can be the guy, but I'm going off of what the evidence shows. I have a great deal of respect for Bill O'Brien, and I'm sure he's coaching him hard. If Osweiler is going to get there, Bill is the kind of coach who will get him there.

"Everybody reacts 24-7, 365 days a year, but Brock is a 12-game starter who needs work. It's going to take time."

Any wiggle room for patience?

The body of work for Osweiler despite being in his fifth NFL season is a relatively limited sample size. He has completed 60 percent of his career throws for 3,259 yards, 17 touchdowns and 13 interceptions for an 80.2 passer rating.

Patience is the watchword with Osweiler in a league with precious little of it in supply and pressure mounting as younger quarterbacks like Wentz and Prescott are off to stellar starts to their respective NFL careers.

"The Texans basically, in my opinion, rushed to judgment and made an investment in a young man they thought would be good down the road, and that still has to be the thought process with him," former NFL quarterback Joe Theismann said. "Once you attach the dollar figure of $72 million, you lose the luxury of saying, 'Wait until next year for him to figure it all out.' If I'm paying you this much money, you have to be good. Everybody scratched their heads when the Texans signed him to such a huge contract with such a small body of work.

"It all goes back to inexperience. He needs to play a full season and learn the nuances of the system. I think he has a chance to be good, but very few tall guys are. Name a 6-8 guy who's been successful in the NFL. There hasn't been one. He has a longer stride and delivery. There are benefits of size, but also many challenges being a tall guy."


A tough offense to master

One of the more underrated aspects of the transition Osweiler is making to a new football team is the complexity of O'Brien's offense and what's demanded from the quarterback rather than the glorified game-manager approach adopted under Kubiak with the Broncos. Osweiler has a tremendous amount of responsibility with the Texans. Despite his knowledge of the offense in the classroom, the execution on the field has been substandard.

"I said all along the transition to this style of offense would be difficult for Brock and it would take him a while to get caught up to speed," said former NFL quarterback Jim Miller, a Sirius XM NFL analyst. "That offense changes every week as far as the emphasis, just like the New England Patriots. They've changed play-callers from George Godsey to Bill O'Brien and Bill can be a pretty gruff coach. I'm sure they're butting heads a little on some things.

"Brock is big and tall and moves pretty well and is a good, mobile quarterback for his height. I don't like his three-quarter delivery that makes him play smaller than what he is. He gets the ball batted down more than he should, but he's a smart, tough kid who can take hits. He's just getting started. We won't know enough about him until he's getting up to 20, 30 starts. It's too early to give up on him."

Osweiler was sacked four times and hit 13 times overall by the Vikings. For the season, he has been sacked 11 times and hit 37 overall. The Texans only have one offensive lineman who has been named to a Pro Bowl and that's left tackle Duane Brown, who just returned from quadriceps tendon surgery.

"The left guard (Xavier Su'a-Filo) wasn't very good, the right tackle (Derek Newton) was really bad last week," Cosell said. "It's an erratic offensive line, and Brock needs a good offensive line."

Although the Texans have a talented receiving corps that includes speedy first-round draft pick Will Fuller, they have two offensive players who have ever been named to a Pro Bowl in wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins and Brown.

"There's kind of a talent drain on offense, because you really need to have at least Pro Bowl guys on that side of the ball," Theismann said. "That affects Brock. He has the potential to be a good quarterback and the Texans have a chance to be a good football team with the right kind of people. They're short on those people.

"They have to start building a better offensive line to help Brock out."

One of the more troubling aspects of Osweiler's game is a tendency to telegraph his throws because defensive backs are reading his eyes as he fails to look them off and forces the football into heavy traffic.

During his latest interception against the Vikings with the game out of reach, Osweiler sailed a throw over the head of wide receiver Jaelen Strong into a crowded area. The pass was intercepted by safety Andrew Sendejo, and it could just have easily been picked off by safety Harrison Smith.

"That was just freaking horrible," Cosell said. "I don't know what he was looking at. He was trying to hit Strong in the seam, but it was two-man coverage and Sendejo was just sitting there. He couldn't have completed that ball under any circumstances. It was a terrible read and throw that had zero chance of working.

"Minnesota played a lot more man coverage than normal. Mike Zimmer didn't do that on a whim. He wanted to play more man against their receivers and they struggled to get open. That made it even harder for Osweiler."


'I don't want to let them down'

Osweiler had a similar interception during a 27-0 loss at New England where he was picked off by linebacker Jamie Collins as he made a great read of a throw intended for Hopkins.

"Stare downs are a tough thing because a lot of times, depending on route concepts and length of drop, you don't necessarily have to look off people," Cosell said. "On the Collins interception, I thought he was throwing the ball to Hopkins right out of the huddle. As soon as he saw Cover 2, he did look front side right away when Stephen Anderson broke outside. Jamie Collins did an unbelievable job. I think Brock was surprised Collins played that one so great."

Despite his early struggles since his arrival in Houston, Osweiler remains determined to prove himself. He's aware he needs to play much better and disappointed things haven't gone more smoothly.

"Everybody in that locker room, I think we all respect one another," Osweiler said. "There's no pointing of fingers. I take great pride and put in a ton of preparation because I want to be great for my teammates. I don't want to let them down."

 

David Carr approves!

 

I think we get our answer tonight

 

Brock and BOB getting in to it on Friday per CBS sources.

 

can we speculate it? B.O.B finally realizes the brady offense can't be executed with someone with less than a season of actual experience, decides to tone it down a little for him. Brock's pride says I can run the brady offense, I read Bill bellacheat's biography and watched the 30 for 30 seven times!!!!

what follows is 10 minutes of shouting back and forth. I think it's a good thing. He used to get in it with duane brown back in 2014.

 

The Brady offense isn't very good with people who aren't very good at football

 

no one is going to disagree there. It even took five seasons for the brady offense to become the brady offense and even then the brady offense would have gone empty if pete caroll doesn't fool himself into thinking he has the brady offense.

play to the team's strength but at this point in time with all the new parts and even more shuffling, who knows what are strength is.