Well, Freak. I might not agree with you politically, but it seems that in the game action forum, we agree point for point. Brilliant post. ------------------ Hakeem "The Dream" Olajuwon is the greatest player in the history of basketball. If you disagree, you are not a Rocket fan.
I do agree with those last two posts from ZRB and TPL. We have a tendency to simplify systems and say 3 point spotters mean this, and mean they can't do that. The Barkley weak-side spotters are much different than the Mobley/Francis weakside spotters/slasher because the lane is so wide open, especially in the high pnr. Anderson gets a lot of chances to do something, more than #33.
TheFreak, Glad you could finally say something about what you believe. But why try to find me in an exaggeration equivalent to ZRB's "8 post ups all year", when you enter the game with "Shandon is a better SG than Dickerson", and Dickerson's game consists "solely of Spot up Shooting". Now if you really want to enter the game of discussing basketball rather than deconstructing hangout arguments, then tell us how we should use Shandon, and what system he wants. quit just chasing people and taking words out of context here to fit on some polarizing spectrum where you define the two poles...in this case the spectrum of exaggeration. again man, you enter the game with nothing.
TheFreak, Isn't your statement "for a team that doesn't utilize him" an exaggeration. I definitely believe it is. So, am I exaggerating for saying you are exaggerating? What do you offer these threads, man? What is your purpose here.
hp--If I don't call you on your BS, who's going to do it? I don't like players getting bashed for no reason...what's wrong with that? I've defended Mobley, Taylor, Cato, Anderson, KT, Bullard, Rogers, Langhi, Hakeem...hell, I've probably defended EVERY Rocket this year from unwarranted attacks. I really couldn't give 2 sh*ts whether or not I conform to your guidlines for posting on this BBS. I post for MY reasons, you can go to hell if you think I'm going to change for you sorry ass. You probably don't deserve that response, but what the hell. I have no problem with what Rudy has done this year--in fact, I think he and the entire team are beyond reproach. But I think Shandon has more to offer than what's been shown with this team. You don't play a key role on a 64-win team and have no game. Shandon should be rewarded for his tenure here. Fans don't realize how lucky we are that HE chose US to play for the past couple of years. Mo too. The Rockets wouldn't be able to sniff the playoffs this year otherwise. The lottery race would've been kicked off a lot earlier if it weren't for Anderson--and it's all been to HIS disadvantage. He's SACRIFICED to play here, and nobody appreciates it. Maybe we shouldn't expect Houston fans to, though.
Anderson has some deficiencies -- inability to handle the ball and an inconsistent outside shot. However, he is one of Houston's better defenders, a capable low-post threat against guards, and has a better than average understanding of defensive positioning (strong and weak-side). Anderson is better off playing in the second unit with more rebounding opportunities and a PG who opens up the lanes on penetrations. With the continuous parade of layups by opponents, it'd be nice to have a player who can play individual defense and understands the concept of team defense. University (Waiting Patiently for the Next Parade) Blue ------------------
Finally, we see TheFreak's real motivation. Now, explain to me my BS then. And why not address me calling you on your BS about my BS. In the mean time, I'll continue ripping apart your "rip" of me.
Finally TheFreak Please tell me why we are in big disagreement here: Why is "more shots, bigger role" any different than "more playing time", "wanting to start", especially combined with Shandon talking about "more uptempo" and "different system". We are not that far off, and if you'd stop looking for opportunities to catch me in profuse exaggeration and lie, you'd see that and actually join in the conversations, and add to them. [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited April 08, 2001).]
TheFreak Tell me again about this young nucleus Shandon wanted to come play for when we had Barkley, Dream and Pippen, and a not yet blossomed Mobley. And here is a statement from Shandon. Now where do I see "young nucleus". Think about it TheFreak. If you have an objective bone in your body, rather than being on a crusade to save the BBS from heyp lies, you would see that Shandon did not get the team he wanted. Pippen left one week after Shandon signs. Hakeem goes down. Barkley goes down. What? Is that what Shandon signed for. There is nothing wrong with me saying he is impatient for wanting to stay with the new "yound nucleus". He is not a bad person for that. Again, I am here to challenge people saying that Rudy is the cause. But what, you have to save the BBS from me using the word "impatient". sheesh...I really don't get your motivation.
But you are not defending Rudy and the System here are you? I've been very consistent in my stance on this bbs, that I am a defender of Rudy and the new system. The thread is about blaiming Rudy. Otherwise, we are in agreement about bashing players. But why read what I say as "attacks". If a player questions the coach or the point guard, I am going to criticize him, if I..think..he..is...wrong. And I can have fun doing that, too. And make friends on this bbs doing it, rather the regurgitating media quotes, and waiting for undeniable proof that TheFreak accepts. We are questioning his playing ability here for unwarranted pay, should he seek more than middle class. This is RealGM type stuff for the off-season. The only time I ever got down on Shandon is when he argued with Francis on the court, when "verse" wrote the "gar-bage" thread, and now after he blames the system with a back-handed slap at the coach and pg.
Heypartner: Got a little riled by thefreak, didn't you ? In any event, I haven't seen enough games to be sure, but I defintely haven't seen *that much slashing* compared to other teams in the NBA. I do see quite a few Celtics games up here. Outside of Walker and Pierce, the Celtics have *nothing* (unless you count K Anderson). They get a lot of points by threatening with Pierce or Walker, then dishing the ball off at someone streaking. This is probably their most effective play for their non-stars. I think we should utilize this strategy much more Yeah, it happens once in a while... but I think it should be going on a great deal more, especially with the personell the Rockets possess. We have a bunch of fast guard-type players, and jump shooting big men. We might relieve more pressure by making the lanes more dangerous. Anderson is quite adept at going to the hoop. I remember from watching him play with Utah, that he was quite talented at cutting through, and getting a quick Stockton pass for an easy bucket. My girlfriend, who's a huge Utah fan, watched a Rocket game, and basically said "what the heck is Anderson doing parked on the 3pt line." We're not using him in the role in which he was most effective in Utah. ------------------ I would believe only in a God who could dance. - Friedrich Nietzsche
actually, it looks like he got riled to me. Read the thread. You are just giving me the wink, because you are bashing Rudy in this thread... you...you...exaggerating,,,lying Rudy basher [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited April 08, 2001).]
First, you haven't watched that many games!!!!!!!! outrage-us! I'm insulted that you are taking your girlfriend's word over mine....like i'm some exaggerating fool looking to discredit Shandon, because I don't like him or something personal like that. lol! Haven...we have cutters. Every ISO that is double has one...it just isn't Shandon. How does Rogers shoot 70% for the season. The cutters we use are PFs more than Shandon. Still this thread is about bashing Rudy. Rudy bashing for Shandon's comments is as exaggerating as anything else in this thread. Haven, I disagree that there is no cutters or ball movement designed into this offense. You must throw last year out the window...that was not what Rudy planned. In fairness to Rudy, you must look at the system as designed when it has a center! fair enough.
Eeek! Didn't mean to make you riled at me . Babysitting the bbs switch over? I'm sorry, I don't catch your drift, exactly. ------------------ I would believe only in a God who could dance. - Friedrich Nietzsche
read the announcement above by clutch...we moved. you...you...lying...exaggerating Rudy basher ... you
If you want to buy me an NBA League pass, I'd be delighted watch all the Rockets games that are on . I agree that we do have much more ball movement than last year... but I disagree that we have *as much* as teams that are more mobile. In the end, Rudy believes in placing his trust in his best players. His "main idea" seems to be: Francis and Mobley are going to beat other guys one on one more often than not, I feel comfortable making that bet. That was the same strategy he took with Hakeem, and it's the same strategy now. Phil Jackson seems to think the same way. Between them, they've won 9 or the last 10 championships. So maybe it's a very good idea. Still, I don't think it gets full production out of roleplayers, unless they're very good at shooting 3's. Once again, I'm *not Rudy bashing*. This system may very well be the best one out there. I just agree with DaneB that it doesn't utilize the talents of people like Shandon anderson, who best find their games by slashing and taking it to the hoop. ------------------ I would believe only in a God who could dance. - Friedrich Nietzsche
BTW, I just said you got riled up because you seemed a little flustered... all those successive posts. heh... now you've got me making successive posts as well. ack ------------------ I would believe only in a God who could dance. - Friedrich Nietzsche [This message has been edited by haven (edited April 08, 2001).]
You girls getting along okay? TheFreak, while I agree with your synopsis that Shandon left b/c he didn't enjoy the city (I'm assuming that the points he put out in the media... i.e. Gordon Monson not just Larry Miller were merely excuses) I have to call you (and I) on your proof. Where has Shandon said anything bad about Utah? You have crossed the line of being a devil's advocate into full fledged heypocrasy. Also, as heypartner mentioned before, this "younger nucleus" issue is bunk. He solidified his decision when Francois came, but Scottie, Dream and Chuck were still the meat of the team. ------------------ \../ [This message has been edited by Achebe (edited April 08, 2001).]
Freak, I also have to call you on a certain point... You said Dickerson is "only a spot-up shooter." Sorry, that is wrong. Vancouver repeaedly said last year how shoced they were at his complete offensive arsenal...how they thought he was just a shooter from his role in the "Inside- Ouside" system Houston employed w/Dream and Barkley. In Vancouver, Dickerson has been shooting/slashing, etc. His big knock now, however, is his consistency...probably because he is just not that aggressive. ------------------ Whitey will pay.
