It's not just witholding info. What he said was "You guys know me. I shouldn't have to say anything.' He was trying to cash in on his previous good image. The fact is that most of the people and that includes the press that he was addressing that statement to, don't know Kobe. The fact that he's accused of rape, but feels that he shouldn't have to say anything goes beyond just witholding info.
Of course this girl hasn't filed a civil suit, and hasn't done any interviews, and hasn't put her name out in the public at all. In fact the only reason people have found out her name has been through media snooping. The girl in question here, at least so far, hasn't sought out any attention, or money.
I posted this in another thread but since it is so hot in here let me take off all my clothes.... oops here is what I wrote. Kobe is already guilty no matter if he is innocent or not. On one hand you have a white majority community with a "citizen" of that community who know this girl in some way. On the other hand you have a Black man who is a "stranger" and not a citizen although well known superstar. Visitor comes in takes advantage of the "citizen" in their eyes no matter if he is innocent or not. No matter how you slice it this is about Race KOBE made a huge mistake coming on camera and protesting his innocence and breaking down for millions to see. To me in my opinion Kobe is innocent, i think sometimes the law needs to realize women do lie as well in sexual cases. Kobe has admitted they both had sex but my theory is if your being raped or held against your will you scream bloody murder, in this case Kobe being a well known star would be an idiot to try to kill someone if she screamed out for help. The time from when the incident happend and how she acted after she left the room is critical to the case, because if she went about her business as normal and did not say anything until later that day after many hours THEN SHE IS A LIAR. Any woman who is raped will cry out for help after if it is indeed rape. Kobe and her had some wild sex maybe it got too wild but Rape? Naaaaaaaaaaa I do not believe that one bit. BUT in the laws eyes she is a teen, legal but still a teen I think she came up with the rape story to get her ex-boyfriend to feel sorry for her and possibly go back to her. Women will do anything to get what they want sometimes even if it means ruining a life
Accusing a high profile celebrity of sexual assault automatically lands you in the spotlight. She doesnt have to go out on TV to get the attention. She is already getting plenty of it from the media and the community she lives in.
Oh!!! Now I see. If a high profile celebrity rapes you, then you can't accuse them? Or if you do accuse them then you are automatically seeking attention? Someone who is seeking that attention would take advantage of it. This girl isn't giving interviews left and right, she isn't even making public claims at this point. Yes I agree that someone who accuses a celeb will end up in the spotlight. This girl obviously isn't basking in that attention, and doesn't seem to be seeking attention. Yet she feels strongly enough about what happened to report it anyway. I have no idea if Kobe is guilty or innocent. But I do have an idea that this isn't the case of a girl seeking to gain her fifteen minutes of fame. Darva Conger from Marrya a millionaire or whatever that show was, kept telling the media she wanted privac but then did interview after interview. This girl reported a crime. Since then she's done nothing at all.
She cant give interviews because the D.A. isnt allowing her to do so. She isnt getting on tv because the prosecution is making her stay at home. They are keeping her completely to themselves until they get their gameplan straight. The prosecution cannot afford for her to go out in public and make a comment that may be detrimental to her case. Its standard procedure.
She also doesn't have a lawyer out there making claims in her behalf. What pattern of her behavior suggests to you, that she's out for publicity?
In cases such as this, the accuser is rarely allowed to go public before the trial begins. Its the way it works. If you look at the previous rape charges to high profile athletes that were proven to be false, such as the one against Michael Irvin, you will notice that the accuser was kept quiet and no information was released from the time of accusation through the trial. Like I said, this is standard procedure. Also, I never once stated that this girl is out to get attention. I said that most cases against athletes are false and that the women are out to get money or attention.
rezdawg: I have read nearly every post in this thread. I have four daughters, two of which are 19. They do dumb things every once in a while ( ie. bribe one of the busboys to let them take an order up to a superstar's room, or maybe even flirt a bit with them while they were checking in ), but that really doesn't make them HO's, I think is your term. Courts have held that putting themselves in harm's way does not justify RAPE! The first time she says no any subsequent action on his part is assault. I listened to a piece on FOXNEWS channel the other day. 'Greta Van Sustrund' I think, sexual assault in Colorado is much easier to prove than California apparently. Kobe may be in a little more trouble than you think. It wish some law student or lawyer would look it up exactly. I think some folks neeed to see it in writing. This is a young DA who thought long and hard before bringing charges. He knows what he going up against and I doubt he looking forward to ruining his career bringing insubstancial charges against Kobe Bryant. I believe he has more than 'she said' behind his charges. BTW: I'm a Junior Member and I don't think the Senior Members are very proud of you at the moment ! ps. Wow, I just noticed that I got promoted to Member somewhere along the way. Thank You.
Rezdawg: If I do get 25:1 odds on sexual assault then I'll take it. I'll lay out $10 vs your $250. One stipulation, all it takes is one guilty on sexual assault. Meaning if Kobe loses and appeals it you lose. If that is acceptable let me know.
ESPN radio. Do they have more of a vested interest in protecting Kobe Bryant or in providing unbiased news? Quote: Originally posted by thumbs In what state is this television station located? Hmmmm. Is this a part of Bare Bryant's media blitz to win the case before it goes to trial? Money talks...and often drowns out the truth. Funny how you jump on me for not believing the girl, yet you can proclaim that Kobe and his money are after deceiving the public through the media. Nice work son. Nice work. Rezdawg, notice I am not "proclaiming" -- merely asking questions, leading questions, but just questions. Ask your sisters how that's done. Also, please be aware that I am not attacking you. I don't know you well enough for that. Admittedly, I have used a variety of approaches to help you understand the position you have staked out is ... indefensible... if justiice is to be served. I refer to Kobe as "Bare Bryant" because 1) he is a Laker and 2) he admitted his infidelity to his wife. I ask leading questions because Bryant's defense team is unleashing a massive blizzard of slander money. The state's leading witness does not have the resources to fight back. Where is the fairness in that? We only want you to see that there are two sides to this story, and we cannot judge one or the other because we do not have all the facts in the case. Only the judge and jury will have those, and they will decide. The court of public opinion is a kangaroo court at best. Because of cases like this, one day our government will place an embargo on the press to protect the victims and the truth. In doing this for the public good, we the people will lose yet another of our freedoms. However, if you read my observation directed toward crash5179 in the "other" thread, you will understand my sympathies toward the Fourth Estate but also my concern for its power to do great harm because of bias. The board wishes you would think your positions through with logic and empathy for BOTH sides. As in your chosen profession, the first rule is "do no harm."
Hey yo didn't 2pac go to jail for raping a girl for 3 years or something like that... ..anyways even if kobe didnt rape the gal..why would u commit adultery when his wife is hotter than he is. ..he'll turn out innocent like iverson but i still wonder ..i understand why old married men go and commit adultery but why kobe..
rez: i've got $10 saying that the outcome of this trial WILL NOT be "not guilty" for kobe bryant. it may be guilty. it may be pled down. it may be a hung jury. it may be a lot of things. but i'm betting that it will NOT be "not guilty" for kobe bryant. you still giving 25:1 odds? if so, speak up. otherwise, shut up about credibility. you've got 6 pages of witnesses here, rez. what's up?
because she was on American Idol means shes a star chaser? what kind of twisted logic is that!!! anybody who has singing talent looks for their big break, it just so happens American Idol offers that big break. and contrary to what people here might say about her having a "breakdown" this info will NOT be admissable in court unless it has relevence in this case and obviously it doesn't. the kid, had a best friend DIE, of course shes going to have some emotional problems . and also, If the girl is looking to make money or get some attention/fame THAN WHY HASNT SHE SOLD HER STORY TO ANYONE or REVEALED HERSELF TO THE PUBLIC? she could make a ton of money by talking about what happened without going into specifics. the whole thing sounds fishy. i was leaning towards Kobe's side when the accusation was made but after what i've been hearing, it seems Kobe is in deep sh*t. people already see him as a lying cheating dog. now this slander attempt?!?! BTW: anybody feel sorry for his SOON TO BE EX-WIFE Vanessa? at the press conference she looked like a zombie. not a ounce of emotion. after seeing Kobe wear his baby's ID in a game back in Jan/FEB i thought the guy was a good husband but now he looks like a two faced punk. i wonder what else this guy has in his closet
Here's a very good article by Kevin Jackson on ESPN http://espn.go.com/page2/s/jackson/030721.html Who speaks for the victim? By Kevin Jackson Page 2 staff I never realized I was a raging feminist until this weekend. On paper, I'm one of the last people you'd expect to hear extolling the wisdom of Gloria Steinem or Martha Burk. A clean image and a tearful press conference don't necessarily mean "not guilty." For cripesakes, I'm one of the editors in charge of Page 2 -- you know, the section of ESPN.com that has published approximately 2,500 photos of Anna Kournikova, given Gregg Easterbrook a forum for his cheesecake "art" and turned Jennie Finch into a household name. But this Saturday afternoon, I realized that ... uh, I'm not like other guys. Or at least I'm not like the guys who I've heard discussing the Kobe Bryant case over the last couple of weeks. My car nearly careened off the road Saturday when I heard the host of a sports-talk radio show in New York offer this summary of the sexual-assault case against the Lakers superstar: When you first hear that some woman has accused Kobe of sexual assault, your first thought is obviously that this must be some gold-digger or some woman who tried to "entrap" an NBA star. After all, we know Kobe, and this is totally out of character for him. These women are out there, and it's a dangerous world for these guys. I'm sorry, but I must be living on a different planet here. Maybe I've just read too many tales of athletes' late-night activities off the police blotter, or maybe I'm too in touch with the "divine secrets" of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood. Either way, when I hear that a professional athlete is being charged with rape, my first thought isn't that he's the victim. Nor do I immediately envision some sort of vexing vixen preying on poor unsuspecting millionaire athletes in a hotel lobby. No, my first thought is to fear that a horrible crime has occurred ... and to hope that I'm wrong. And, yes, that's my first thought no matter how well I "know" the athlete -- whether that athlete is a "thug" like (fill-in-the-blank with your NBA bad boy of choice), or a "solid citizen" like Ray Allen or Kobe Bryant. I certainly "know" Kobe Bryant better than most people on the street. I've interviewed him several times, including a brief one-on-one at last year's ESPY Awards. I've watched hundreds of his games and countless press conferences. I've seen more of his TV commercials than I care to count. (I've also covered enough pro sporting events -- from the Super Bowl to the NBA Finals -- to know plenty about groupies and the world of temptations that confront professional athletes.) And after all that, this is what I "know" about Kobe Bryant: He's eloquent and thoughtful. He gives good sound bites. He speaks Italian. He carries himself with class on and off the basketball court. And he's one of the best basketball players to ever lace up a pair of sneakers. After last Friday's mesmerizing news conference at the Staples Center, I also now "know" that Kobe cheated on his wife of two years, a woman who bore his first child a mere seven months ago. Here's what I don't "know" about Kobe Bryant: I don't know how he treats his family when they're behind closed doors. I don't know what his sexual habits are. I don't know if he has a raging temper. I don't know what he might be capable of when no one is around. Look around your office or your school. No matter how much you think know some of the people that you come in contact with every single day, you probably don't know the answers to any of the questions above. District Attorney Mark Hurlbert wouldn't put his career on the line if he didn't have a case. Remember, we thought we knew Kirby Puckett, O.J. Simpson and Bill Clinton. Now, I'm not saying Kobe is guilty. I have no idea what really happened on the night of June 30 at the Cordillera Lodge & Spa, and all Americans are innocent until proven guilty. All Americans except for the female victim in this case, that is. Since the news of Bryant's arrest broke two weeks ago, it seems like we've been searching for reasons to discredit this woman. She tried out for "American Idol" ... so she must be seeking fame and fortune. She went up to Bryant's room voluntarily ... so she was asking for it. She was an employee of the hotel ... so she was behaving unprofessionally. She allegedly overdosed on drugs two months ago ... so she must be unstable. I only "know" one thing about this woman: Her life is never going to be the same again, and yet she's pressing on with this case anyway. Rather than look for reasons to doubt her story, I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt until someone can prove she's lying -- the same benefit of the doubt so many people, men in particular, seem so eager to give Kobe. On Sunday morning, I bumped into a fellow sports journalist who offered the following word of warning to me about the Kobe case: "Man, be careful what you say about this case around women. I was at a party Saturday night, and all I said was, 'Kobe made a pretty big mistake,' and a couple of women still jumped all over me." Well, sorry, guys, but I understand why so many women are so outraged. I also understand why so many rape victims never come forward. If this case does indeed turn into a he-said, she-said, I'm not going to blindly assume everything he says is true. And I'd at least like to withhold my final judgment until I hear what she has to say. Kevin Jackson is the coordinating editor for ESPN.com. His email address is kevin.jackson@espn3.com.
rezdawg, where'd you hear that the girl paid 20 bucks to "deliver" to Kobe? Haven't heard that one yet.
the prosecutor can't make her do anything! she's the alleged victim...not the alleged perpetrator. he can't confine her to her house...and a judge has issued no order yet restricting her ability to talk about this case to the media. her silence is of her own accord and is well in step with care and advice given to rape victims in all circumstances. that's standard procedure...but it's of her own accord.
Anyone who wants to bet me...feel free to do so. I am saying that Kobe will not be accused of the current allegations of sexual assault.
