Okay, this approach of yours is getting old. Do you even get affected when you watch the news and see that a murder took place in some part of Houston? Of course not. It happens very often and as you watch the news, you dont think twice about it. Now, if I told you that a family member of yours was killed in some incident, would you respond the same way? Of course not. Its different when something happens to people you dont know when compared to family members. Thats the way it is. I still dont care for the word "ho". This is a freakin message board of all places. Its not some law/police convention in which everything you do or say should be judged like you are in a court of law. You guys completely freaked out about nothing. I showed this thread to my "dumb, ignorant, stupid, uneducated, moronic, douche bag" friends of mine and they pull one of these when they saw the responses you all made. Gimme a freakin break. I know most of you are so moral that anything that may be considered slightly negative is deemed as being a total sin. Would an apology from me really matter at this point? Probably not. So, basically, there is nothing I can do. But, you guys continue to bring up this moot comment I made and Im stuck in the same place just trying to move on. This is getting old. Fast. Kurupt the Kingpin, as far as the comments I made regarding Kobe. Im still confident that he did not commit sexual assault and will be "not guilty" when this is said and done. However, Im not that chick thats on tv that knows everything for $5.99 a minute. Obviously, there are things that only Kobe and the girl know. Regardless, it will be extremely difficult to have enough evidence to convict Bryant even IF something horrible went down in that room. If this were my sister...yada yada yada. IF IF IF. Old. What if Kobe was your brother? Wouldnt you automatically support Kobe and diss the girl?
[YEs Kobe is Guilty.... This chick wouldnt risk her whole life for this! I mean she'll go 2 prison if she lies under oath! Why would she do this? thats what u have 2 ask urself...if she didnt think she could get away with it????
But you use 'ho' as a completely neutral word, right? With no preconceived notions or negative associations, right? So would you freely call a girlfriend, sister, or your mother a 'ho?' If not, you can admit you have prejudged the 19-yr-old girl. If 'ho' has evolved a lot since I was listening to rap, please explain it to me. I'm serious. (Maybe all it means now is "a woman prone to wearing thong underwear with low-riding jeans in such a geometry as to display the top of the thong underwear" like so many of my students do now. Bizarre. But I never understood the enormous pants thing either. I'm just out of it.)
Do anyone realize that we have used 8+ pages on this thread trying to convince a moron he is a moron. You can not do it.
Do anyone realize? Im the moron? Im sure you dont think this is english class, just like I dont think its etiquette class.
This entire affair strikes me as a bit on the odd side. Too many things simply don't add up in my mind yet as to allow me to have an opinion on what really happened. For example, from all indications, the act of forced rape is completely out of character for Kobe. Since coming into the NBA, he has been a model citizen with nary an incident until now. By now, if the capacity for this type of behavior actually existed in Kobe, there would have been some sign somewhere. This is not to say that he wasn't fooling around before the incident in question, just that given the spotlight he's lived in since turning pro, there hasn't been the slightest hint of a violent nature or dark side to his personality. Given the sheer number of media who's job it is to dig up and report dirt on celebrities, it's highly unlikely that something like this could have remained hidden for very long. Next, I find it very curious that if the girl was brutally attacked by Kobe, why did it take her until morning to report the event? I know that if my sister or daughter or wife were attacked in this way, I'd want it reported to the police immediately. If this girl's injuries were severe enough to still be visible days later as has been reported, then why weren't the police notified that very night? What purpose was served by waiting until the next day? Next, where were his 2 bodyguards during this alleged assault? If they were present, then are we to assume that they will be witnesses for the prosecution? Are we to believe that they stood by and allowed a heinous crime to be committed on their watch knowing full well that by doing so, they will become accessories to Kobe's alleged crime? This does not seem plausible in the least that they would expose themselves to criminal liability in this manner. Also, if they saw or heard Kobe commit this alleged crime, why did they still accompany him the next day? Didn't they have an obligation to go to the authorities themselves? Next, let's assume Kobe DID forceably rape this girl. If that's the case, then why did would he accompany the sheriff to the hospital and provide a sample of his DNA of his own free will (thereby incriminating himself) without requesting legal counsel? Does anyone believe that Kobe is that stupid? Are we to believe that Kobe did not know that he could have had access to legal representation before speaking with the police? Does that sound plausible to anyone here? Next, why did the sheriff basically force the issue by arresting Kobe with getting formal charges from the DA as is the normal mode of operation in Eagle County? Why was an exception made in this particular instance? Was it because you have a high-profile case: young white female allegedly assulted sexually by rich & famous black male athlete? Was it to force the DA to try the case? This is interesting to me because once the arrest became public, the DA basically had no choice but proceed with trying Kobe. It's entirely possible that the DA is passing the buck so to speak by dumping this case into the hands of a jury thereby letting them resolve this mess. This is not intended to make excuses for Kobe. It's merely to point out that there are so many things about this entire affair that simply don't add up yet the battle lines have already been drawn here and elsewhere.
Hey ShiatHole, you are just jealous of the victim. I know you are a kobe lover and you want his diick in your ass badly. Apparently you'll never get it unless you go out and rape a HO and pray that you end up in the same prison cell with KOBE MY LOVE.
Just a couple of things to respond to. I'm just playing devil's advocate because I don't know a thing about what evidence is real or false that's been rumored so far. I could believe it would happen either way. Kobe's not guilty or Kobe is. Kobe has seemed to be a good citizen. But the truth of the matter is that nobody knows what kind of person Kobe is in private. His teammates don't socialize with him. Kobe gives good soundbites but doesn't allow the press into his private life etc. Nobody really knows what Kobe is like. This is someting that's been reported since this incident happened. Second Many girls don't report rape ever. The fact that the girl took less than 24 hours to make up her mind doesn't seem to make the incident any less likely. Third as far as the bodyguards go, there is the rumor that a cab driver heard 'suspicious' conversation from Kobe's entrouage. I don't know what is and isn't true. We won't know until there is a trial. It's too up in the air to call.
the guy is an introvert (what psychologists deem as very unpredictable when it comes down to "up/down" behavior). he doesn't socialize much with the team and also is inclined to stay in his hotel room during road trips. what people have seen of him is what kobe wants them to see. nobody knows kobe as much as kobe knows kobe. i'd bet a poll before the admission would have said that most people thought the guy was a good spouse, and we know how much of a lie that is now.
That's true. You never can really know a person's true self unless it gets exposed. I'm pointing out that to accept the fact that Kobe would indeed commit an act such as this, you have to believe that he is capable of such. Given that there has been no indication whatsoever, that's a huge assumption to make. Behavior like that would have been uncovered by now given the nature of the tabloid media in this country. Just look at how the media is now combing both his and her background for anything they can find. People knew he was fooling around on his wife I can assure you. They just didn't report it in much the same way Julius Erving's and Bill Cosby's indescretions were never made public. You can't hide this stuff. People will talk - the girls themselves talk and somebody somewhere knows what's going on. You are right in that many girls don't report rape, I don't dispute that fact at all. What's I pointing out is that the girl was allegedly injured so severely during the assault that her injuries were visible DAYS later. Now, to me, that's a slamdunk - you report this episode as soon as possible. Everyone knows that time is of the essence in cases such as these and I find the wait puzzling. Finally, if there were "conversations" in the cab (which would again be an exceedingly stupid thing to do in front of a witness) then I'm certain the DA will have the cab driver testify at trial. To believe that Kobe and his bodyguards would talk about this affair in front of witnesses means that you have to accept the fact that these guys are actually that stupid. Whatever else he may be, Kobe is not stupid - an adulterer yes but no fool.
Everyone knows that time is of the essence in cases such as these Do they? You really think a 19 yr old girl that is in a state of shock and may have little grasp of what just happened knows that its a better idea to go to the police immediately rather than get to the comfort of home and family? If she was assaulted, there's no way to tell what state of mind she was in and what her first decisions would be like.
Oh yes! Police and docters will both tell you that the longer you take to examine the victim and take a rape kit, the more unreliable the evidence becomes. Now you are making the assumption that the alleged victim was in a "state of shock" when in fact, there has been no report as such. This is something that will come out in court if it actually was the case. You are proving my point - that sides are being taken and conclusions are being made on suppostion and guesses and not fact. The media is short-stroking this for all it's worth because it's the flavor of the month. That doesn't mean that you have to buy into their circus. It's perfectly OK to step back and question what really happened as I am doing.
For yet another take, check out Skip Bayless' article in the San Jose Mercury News. Here's the link: http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/columnists/skip_bayless/6364471.htm and the story: Posted on Wed, Jul. 23, 2003 Bryant's escapade simply baffling By Skip Bayless Mercury News Staff Columnist AFP/File/Robyn Beck Kobe Bryant clasps hands with his wife Vanessa as he admits to adultery but not sexual assault. I knew about Michael Jordan's carousing when the world viewed him as a Disney superhero. I knew about Magic Johnson's late-night exploits when his poster hung on more kids' walls than probably any athlete of the time. I knew about O.J. Simpson's wandering eye when, dashing through airports for Hertz, his smile was one of the most trusted on TV. I knew because, as a reporter, I spent time around these stars or heard lots of stories from lots of people around them. From other reporters. From teammates. From team officials. From entourage members. When you're Michael-Magic-O.J. famous, and you flirt in public and try to sneak women up to your hotel room, insiders know. It is virtually impossible for a superstar athlete to consistently cheat on his wife and keep it secret. If nothing else, the bed partners will talk. So why didn't I write exposes about the nocturnal conquests of Michael, Magic or O.J. while they were playing? Because it obviously didn't hurt their performance. What they did after hours was their business, unless losing too much sleep or being thrown out of the house sent them and their team into a tailspin. Only then would it have become our business. But what continues to baffle me about the sexual assault case against Kobe Bryant is that I never heard so much as a whisper about him. Not a peep. No one I've talked to close to the Los Angeles Lakers had any reason to suspect he was ever anything but faithful to his wife. No ``I did hear once that . . .'' Certainly no raised eyebrows from high-profile neighbors of Bryant's about loud arguments with his wife. An insider close to Lakers executive Magic Johnson told me: ``When Kobe was single, I used to stand outside the locker room after games and see some of the most beautiful women in L.A. all but throw themselves at him, and he'd very politely say, `No thanks, gotta get home.' '' For a while, Bryant and his father quit speaking because, according to reports, the father thought Vanessa was too young for Kobe to marry. He married her anyway. Teammates have told stories about how Bryant always goes to the back of the team bus and spends the entire ride to the arena talking quietly to Vanessa on his cell phone. Of course, he could have been talking to someone else. But teammates and coaches always described him as nothing but fiercely dedicated to Vanessa, their 6-month-old child and his career, pretty much in that order. Perhaps no professional athlete has ever programmed his life so completely and intensely at such a young age as Bryant. Here is a control freak. But, yes, privacy has also been a priority, if not an obsession. The one internal criticism of Bryant has been that he's such an above-it-all loner, he has little or no locker room rapport with teammates. This could mean Bryant is the one superstar who could have led a secret double life. But this also could be the reason that resentful teammates would have told tales on him, if they had any. Some might have enjoyed tipping off a reporter that ``Kobe's not all that he's cracked up to be.'' But no. Nothing. Clean as a ref's whistle. Bryant has contacted newspaper editors when he hasn't appreciated the drift of stories about his image. Another sad but true knock: Because he came from a privileged existence, as the son of a former NBA player, and speaks Italian, he doesn't have the anti-hero ``street'' appeal that makes a wildly successful shoe salesman. He failed with Adidas and Reebok, and received only about half the money from Nike that Lebron James did. Bryant has asked reporters and editors why stories can't concern only his basketball performance. Yet it never seemed that he was trying to create a phony image, just that he wanted to keep his home life out of the spotlight and that he didn't want to be criticized for trying to live his life the right way. So why would a man so in control suddenly go so out of control? Knowing Bryant's focus, you'd think he would be extremely premeditated about cheating on his wife. You'd think he would pay for sex or at least choose a woman he was virtually certain he could trust. Instead, he asked a 19-year-old hotel concierge up to his room. Unless proof surfaces to the contrary, he had just met her. Several insiders wouldn't be surprised if this was the first time he committed adultery. Of course, wiser men than Bryant have made equally dumb decisions when blinded by passion. But this was a very dangerous liaison. For Kobe Bryant, this was playing Russian Roulette with your life. So much could go wrong, and did. She says he forced himself on her. A prosecutor says he can prove it beyond reasonable doubt. Bryant says it was just consensual intercourse. Now a jury must decide. Either way, Bryant's life will be hell for a long time. Jordan dared the devil many a night, but had only to pay hush money. Johnson finally paid with AIDS, but not once found himself in a Kobe predicament. Some say O.J. ``got away with murder'' for many years as an adulterer before getting away with murder. Then there was Wilt Chamberlain, who boasted of bedding 20,000 women. Maybe Wilt the Stilt was always the perfect gentleman. Maybe times are very different now. Or maybe he was very, very lucky.
You act as if the 19 year old has the mindset of a 6 year old. You're saying that she may have little grasp of what just happened? If she was raped, she would know it. Her mom wouldnt have to tell her. This is an adult we are talking about, not some pre-teen girl that is getting ready to enter junior high school. But, Ive never been raped, so I dont know the shock factor. Thats the only thing that could hold her back. Otherwise, I think she is old enough to have a grasp on what happened.
Show me who your friends are, and I'll show you who you are. The answer is yes, but only if you can truly admit to yourself who you truly are... The mouth (and in this case the keyboard) speaks from the abundance of what's in your heart. rezdawg is a friend of a friend of Kobe.... And that's enough evidence for me to convict Kobe of being a shifty character. Birds of a feather flock together. So choose who you fly with and how high you get... or how low. Friends and acquaintances usually hang out and have a relationship due to common views or interests. Look it up in Webster's. If this "friend of a friend" scenario is in fact true... then Kobe is sure to have vaguely similar, same, or even worse views than you do, rezdawg. You've label a girl "ho" without personal first hand knowledge of the situation. You suggest a desire for sex with a "Kobe type" is a must for any 19 year old girl. You've overlooked the fact that 1) yes he admitted ADULTERY, which means 2) He's dishonest in his marraige in the first place, and therefore is perfectly capable of denying rape as a lie and not batting an eyelash. And well, 3) It's just a moot point argueing the obvious with you... as attempted severely and sincerely by so many others already... As rash judgements are sewn, so shall they be reaped. I hope you are never accused of anything, fairly or otherwise. May God have mercy on you. As for Kobe's guilt or innocence... who will ever know but God. Otherwise he will most likely get acquitted or be found not guilty because of his high profile. And if he is not guilty, or innocent of forcable rape, then I hope on that charge he is exhonorated. We may see, then again we may not. If he's guilty, I feel as though he'll get the max sentence for the same reason (high profile). He would be the prime case to "make an example" of. To me, Kobe's admission to ADULTERY is his self-inflicted credibility damage. Regardless of what they find on the alledged victim, he's already admitted to playing ball on the wrong court, therefore leading any jury to believe he is at fault for something to begin with. No wife and child involved? Well then that would be easier to defend with a "credibilty of the victim" case. But there are already two victims confirmed here. His WIFE & CHILD.
I just wanted to share something. Take it as you will. I was recently on a workcamp in Omaha,Nebraska. It was one of the most powerful experiences of my life. There I was assigned to paint a safe haven (women's shelter). I has to sign papers, swear to secrecy, an I was driven to the site that had no address. It was funny, the topic one of the speakers had brought up Kobe. Me being a smart ass and trying to show off to my friends debated with the speaker claiming he was innocent. Claiming she didn't say no and that in Kobe's mind it wasn't rape. I said that was enough. game over. She told me that if she stole from a store to get even with it after it jiped her money last time she was there, is that right. In her mind she didn't think it was stealing and the store never said no. Me being a smart ass once again told her that her example was flawed. That it was premeditated and the only line that could be drawn in similarity would be if she thought the candy was free and she took it. Once again in a cocky fashion I said gameover. I was stupid. I was a fool. At the end of the trip the director of the camp called me up and gave me a cross, he said I had courage and the heart of a lion to go to the safe haven everyday as a male. At the moment I realised Kobe already broke the moral code that is his ring finger. That the girl didn't have to say no, she just doesn't have to say yes. And that even if Kobe saw it as sex, it could still be rape. In the end I still believe Kobe is innocent , but thats just because I am an eternal optimist. I see the situation in a new light. The way the world works, Kobe will probably light us up for forty next year. In a world, the way it should work, Kobe would not play for his actions that have changed his wife and his son's life. he would cry only for his wife not for the his career. we are not in his head and there is nothing wrong with believing him. Its hard to say he is innocent without looking like a heartless b*stard. Realize that his innocence already changed 3 lives. How many lives would he then change as guilty?
