http://www.msnbc.com/news/942322.asp?0cv=SA01#BODY THE ALLEGED VICTIM was at a party three days before the charges were filed and appeared to be in a good mood, NBC News reported, citing five party attendees. “She was bragging about it,” party host Steve Evancho told NBC News. The victim described Bryant’s anatomy when asked about it at the party, the host said. Another friend gave a different impression of the victim, saying she was still “shaken up” by what happened. Luke Bray declined to be more specific out of respect for his friend and her family. “There is visible evidence of what happened,” he said. Eagle County sheriff’s spokeswoman Kim Andree declined comment on NBC’s report and Bray’s statement. Neither prosecutor Mark Hurlbert nor Bryant’s attorneys returned telephone messages seeking comment. Hurlbert has said he believes he has enough physical and testimonial evidence to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. The 24-year-old Bryant was charged with one count of sexually assaulting the concierge at an exclusive mountain resort last month. He said the sex was consensual and that he only committed adultery. The Los Angeles Lakers star is free on bond pending an Aug. 6 court hearing during which he will be formally advised of the charge against him. An Eagle County district judge has sealed most documents, including the arrest affidavit, details of the physical evidence and other information. The Denver Post, the Los Angeles Times, NBC and the Vail Daily have asked a district judge to release some of the material. Bryant’s attorneys filed a 23-page brief objecting to the release of any documents, the Times reported Tuesday. Bryant’s attorneys don’t want any negative information regarding him to be released to the media, fearing it would effect the trial, the Times reported. Lawyers for the Vail Daily and the alleged victim filed written arguments Tuesday in the newspaper’s request for police reports it believes are related to the woman. Hurlbert may file his own brief, spokeswoman Krista Flannigan said.
All these evidence point out there are reasons to "speculate" that Kobe might have commited an offence but none of the material-evidence above are daming enough to conclude that Kobe is a rapist. Unless there is a witness to confirm the development of events, and because of the nature of the offence, I doubt this is the case, there is room for Kobe's defence. It will, in the end, IMO, come down to "who is telling to truth". In this respect, Kobe and the girl's credentials will play important role. Reliability is a crucial issue. Despite the absence of logic, objectiveness, and intellectual tone in rezdawag's claim, he does raise important issue. Anyway, it is too early to make any judgement, IMO.
She does have a private attorney. If they (her family) play this correctly, they'll wait until after the trial is concluded THEN file their civil suit. This is exactly what the Brown family did to OJ. However, based upon that fact, I'm certain the attorney has advised them that there was no way that they could expect to keep her identity a secret.
I've posted on this thread before, but it just won't go away. I watched an hour long news program on CNN, including about 6 prosecutors and defense lawyers and Henry Lee ( LA Medical Examiner or forensics expert ). He was the only one who had anything intelligent to say. He said it will come down to which parties' story fits the forensic evidence the best, period. He did indicate the if there was bruising on her or skin under her finger nails that may clinch it in the jury's eyes. But, again we don't know at this time because the facts have not been published and the judge has already sealed everything. The lawyers talked and talked and admitted since no information except rumor and inuendo had been released that they couldn't really say anything for sure. It was a sham TV newscast. Question: Where were Kobe's three body guards ? Could they have testimony related to the affair. Would they go as far as to purger themselves to save Kobe's bacon, IF it is necessary. The DA says he has testimonial and forensic evidence. Fact: WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH RIGHT NOW TO MAKE ANY KIND OF JUDGEMENT, AND MANY OF THE SO-CALLED FACTS IN THIS THREAD ARE FALSE, OR CONJECTURE, OR HEARSAY.
Hiroshikun: I didn't post that as definitive evidence of a rape. I don't know if there was a rape. I posted it because rezdawg said over and over again there was no case whatever now that Kobe admitted to sex. He was either ignoring or didn't know about the alleged noise from the room, the hospital trips and the cab ride. No one here (that I've seen) has rushed to judgement except rezdawg. He claimed that Kobe would definitely be found not guilty (although he later backtracked, he initially posted "Kobe = Innocent") and he called the girl a "little ho." Conversely, no one has posted "Kobe = Guilty" and no one has called him a rapist. Maybe he will ignore this, too. I'm posting it anyway, since he still seems to believe the DNA was all they had. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/story/103148p-93361c.html Kobe accuser's wounds 'shocking' By DAN LUZADDER in Eagle, Colo. and GREG GITTRICH in New York DAILY NEWS WRITERS The teenager who says she was raped by Kobe Bryant has "shocking" and still visible injuries from the alleged attack, a friend said yesterday. "She covers them up with makeup - mostly, I think, to hide them from herself so she is not reminded" of the attack, said Starlene Bray, who has known the teen since grade school. Three weeks after the 19-year-old woman emerged from the L.A. Lakers star's Colorado hotel room, the injuries are still "very visible," Bray said. She refused to describe the injuries or say where on the woman's body they were. But she did say they were severe enough to be seen plainly despite the woman's attempts to hide them with makeup. "They were shocking," said Bray, 19, who first saw her friend on Friday - the day Bryant was charged with one count of felony sexual assault. "I try not to ask her about the injuries, and I didn't even say I saw them the first time. She's very uncomfortable about that, and not comfortable talking about how it happened," Bray said. Krista Flannigan, spokeswoman for the Eagle County, Colo., district attorney, declined to comment on the woman's injuries. The woman, a student at the University of Northern Colorado, charges that Bryant raped her June 30 at the Lodge & Spa at Cordillera, near Vail, where she was working for the summer. Bray said her friend told her the confrontation with Bryant was loud enough to have been heard by other guests on the same floor of the hotel. There have been published reports, unconfirmed by authorities, that guests complained about noise coming from Bryant's room. The Daily News has learned that Bryant's bodyguards - who accompanied him to Vail for his knee surgery - did not stay on the same floor as the NBA star, which would be a typical security procedure. "The bodyguards stayed on a separate floor," said Pete Webb, a Denver public relations consultant hired by the spa. Bryant, 24, has admitted only to the "mistake of adultery" and insists the sex was consensual. Meanwhile, rape counselors expressed outrage yesterday that a nationally syndicated radio host aired the name of Bryant's accuser. Tom Leykis, whose Los Angeles-based show is aimed at young men, told Reuters it was unfair to publish Bryant's name and not his accuser's. "That's like being raped again," said Dr. Patricia Saunders, director of Graham Windham Manhattan Medical Center in New York City. "It's a sadistic thing to do."
Batman, all these article have credibility issues. Did you not read the msnbc article I posted that had 5 people say that the girl was bragging about the incident and then describing Kobe's genitals to them? Secondly, If you read what I wrote, I said that bruising may be evidence of the crime also, but that it will be difficult to prove that it occurred as a result of Kobe's aggressiveness. As far as the alleged noise, ruckus in the room, hotel guest calling and complaining, etc... Thats all rumor too. Ive seen it on tv and on espn radio that those are bogus rumors. How did I backtrack my saying Kobe=innocent. And then saying Kobe will be found "not guilty"? I believe that if Kobe is innocent, that he will be found "not guilty". And finally, batguy, the term "ho" is a figure of speech. The problem is that you, along with other posters, take it in a literal sense and become so offended at something so meaningless. Have a beer and relax.
So if someone called your wife or daughter a "ho", it would be O.K. with you since it is something so "meaningless"?
rezdawg, you backtracked by saying you weren't saying he was necessarily innocent -- only that he'd be found not guilty. You went from saying that, based on your friend's say so, you knew him to be a good guy who wouldn't do such a thing and also that he was too goodlooking to ever want to to finally saying, well, you'll never prove it in court. You then asserted that the DA definitely only had DNA and the case was dead. Even leaving out the ho thing, you made an ass of yourself. You were the only one on the board pretending to know how this would turn out before any evidence was in (of course, I'm sure you're still convinced there isn't any). Further, you post hearsay assertions like the girl paying to bring Kobe food or today's party story like, whoa, there's trouble for the prosecution and THEN you dismiss anything that might be troubling for the defense as hearsay and innuendo. Could you be any more biased? Finally, I cannot believe you're still defending calling a girl who may have been raped a "ho." And further calling people sensitive for reacting badly, telling them to chill and have a beer. **** you, brother. If I told you I hoped they killed all the sandn*ggers after 9/11 and later told you it was a figure of speech, you wouldn't be chilling about it over a beer. I really hope I can manage not to reply to your incredible crap anymore, but who knows? I still talk to Trader_Jorge.
Depends on what they did. If my wife cheated on me with a 15 year old or my daughter slept with 23 guys in 17 nights while doing blindfolded handstands, then someone calling them those names would be fine with me. How could I argue against that?
About the article I posted, I said that its B.S. Thats my point. All the info out there is so out of whack, that its worthless until it is determined in court. If you brought up the racial stuff about sandn@iggers, I really would have zero problems with it. Thats the absolute truth. If Bush declared that all middle easterners should be killed and there was a national calling for all citizens to murder us sand#iggers, then I wouldnt be able to chill with you over a beer. You would kill me and that would not be fun. Otherwise, words are just words. Also, about the trial, I have said, numerous times, that when I say Kobe is innocent I intend it to mean that he will not be charged with the crime. Im sure I will have to say it a few more times in this thread because there continues to be a misunderstanding of my words.
But you're calling one girl who had sex with (and was allegedly raped by) one man a "ho". If you had a daughter who had sex one time with one athlete (which you are all for by the way as you mentioned in a previous post), are you saying that you wouldn't object to her being called a "ho" because, as you say, the word is "meaningless"? Also, since the word is, by your definition, "meaningless", why do the circumstances matter? If your wife has been true to you since the day you met, why would you care if someone called her a "ho", since it is a "meaningless" word?
if the girl is a "ho". then i guess kobe is the scum bag, probably even more, who sunk low enough to "hit" on that "ho" (pun intended). funny how smear campaigns go both ways
Okay then, if its meaningless, call my mom a ho. Who really cares? Its really not even worth discussing the matter. Edit: But, what is worth discussing is that I scored my 3000th post. I really did it in style. What a waste of a post. Now I gotta wait until 4000.
Kobe is a huge scum bag. He is a moron. Dipsh!t. Punk. b****. Slut. b*stard. w****. Ho. Piece of Crap. Anus mime. The fact that he cheated on his wife and has a 6 month old child is sickening.
YOU'RE the one who said it's meaningless. I think most of us consider it a derogatory word especially in the initial context that you used it. I wouldn't call anyone that regardless of the situation.
Thats fine. You see the word in a different light than I do. Ive heard that word in every other sentence in rap songs for the last 10 years. Its just a dumb word that means nothing, IMO.
Hmmm, if you really meant in the first place that Kobe will not be found guilty, and not that he didnt' actually rape her, then why did you start out by saying "oh he's such a good guy, my friend knows him, he would never do this" and "every 19-year old would wet themselves over Kobe"? This stuff is irrelevant unless you believe that Kobe didn't do it. Only when others started calling you an ass did you change your tune. But whatever, some people have biases, we're human. But calling someone who might be a rape victim a "little ho" says alot about your character, and even more so when you're so clueless you don't realize the insensitivity of that remark in this situation. If this were your sister...
I just find it hard to believe that if someone called your wife or female friend/relative that in a normal conversation that you are so numb to it that you would consider it meaningless/nothing.
