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this is why i hate the dems in congress

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by God's Son, Mar 17, 2010.

  1. God's Son

    God's Son Member

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    michael morre speaks for me on this one. this country is one of the most inhumane on earth when it comes to the sick and the weak. if u r strong u can do great and run over everyone else, but be careful not to ever get sick or stumble cause when (and not if) you do u will be stomped on like a cockroach. this country applies darwinism better than anyone ever could

    the corporate state is more exposed now than ever before with this health care debate. unfortunate the dems were weak and spineless and with supermajorities still could not enact universal health care.

    read and weep cause i know my family and friends are

     
  2. moonnumack

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    I'm relatively liberal but not necessarily a big Michael Moore guy, but he's right about the utter disappointment of "this bill" representing true health care reform. I'm not sure if the Democrats are spineless or just once again helpless in the PR war against the Republicans, but they've really squandered the opportunity to make meaningful reform in this arena. Unfortunately for them, it looks like they're gonna get blasted at the polls either way for coming up with this previously well-intentioned bill.
     
  3. God's Son

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    i think u r right there, but dont u think that is all the more reason for them to put public option back into the bill and shove it through anywyas? when the bill had public option it had far more support in it earlier on in the process

    my logic is people who hate the health care bill will hate any type of health care bill that tries to do any major changes, so why not have the dems get it right the first time around and try to push for the public option or single payer anyways? at least that way they will truly make history and if they lose seats they will lose seats anyways. all they are doing now is watering it down enough so that ALL sides hate it including the libs and some of the moderates

    GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME AROUND!
     
  4. moonnumack

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    Goes back to
    (1) the spineless thing in that they got scared of being labeled socialists and
    (2) letting the Republicans outmaneuver them politically. As soon as the Dems caved in on the public option, the Republicans shifted to another complaint (a.k.a moving the goalposts). Now, I'm not sure that there's even a specific complaint as much as they want to "start over" :confused:
    Either way, they got owned politically and I, for one, would not be opposed to some of them just falling on their sword and doing the right thing for once.
     
  5. Ottomaton

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    [rquoter]
    You mean NAFTA didn't improve life in Mexico: "Two Drug Slayings in Mexico Rock US Consulate"

    [/rquoter]

    Really, Michael Moore? NAFTA is responsible for drug gang violence?
     
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    After the elections
    the next complain is. . . we don't have a majority AT ALL
    Cause I think they will lose alot of seats

    Rocket River
    This keeps up Obama will be a One Timer
    and Welcome President Palin
     
  7. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    Exactly -- why he continually does stuff like this I'll never know, but it undercuts most of what he does (at least for me.) It's like I have to continually ask myself, during his writings or movies: okay, where is he using sound logic and where is he using Michael Moore logic?
     
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    I cannot really argue with the premise. This bill is, generally, a POS.

    EDIT: Honestly, it's to the point that I am questioning how I vote in the next election.
     
  9. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost not wrong
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    ironic statement is ironic
     
  10. pirc1

    pirc1 Contributing Member

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    The democrats are incompetent for sure. But the bigger problem is this country have so many clueless people.
     
  11. justtxyank

    justtxyank Contributing Member

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    America doesn't get the government it deserves, but it definitely gets the government it allows.
     
  12. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost not wrong
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    I'd pretty much say we deserve the government we allow.
     
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    Yes that is true.
     
  14. Depressio

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    America is broken. I, sadly, agree with Moore that capitalism is driving us right off a cliff. People don't seem to care about the right choice, they care about choices entrenched in ideology that was founded on capitalistic greed.

    Is the current healthcare "reform" what we need? No, it's far from it. What we need is the globally successful universal healthcare system. Is the current healthcare "reform" better than what we have? Yeah, it makes it a little better. There is some good in it. Still, it's far, far, FAR from what we need.

    My worry is that people will get content with this "reform" and not think about changing it for a long time. The problem will continue to get worse and then we'll revisit it yet again with a whole set of new problems. The bickering will continue, and we'll end up in the same position we are in now.

    This country is doomed until folks put aside ideologies and begin thinking critically about what might actually improve the situation here. Ultra-conservative "tea parties" are not the solution. A 2700-page healthcare "reform" bill that is chock full of agenda-driven ideas is not the solution. Demonstrations with signs admonishing the president and making outrageous claims are not the solution.

    I'm sick of America. I'm ready to move out north once the opportunity presents itself.
     
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    America has reach a point where Capitalism is counterproductive.
    For developing a nation it is second to none
    but
    once developed. It starts to work against itself.

    Things that you cannot attach a cash value too
    that are VERY IMPORTANT to a nation's strength
    becomes the victims of downsizing

    Rocket River
     
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  16. GladiatoRowdy

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    Yeah, that one struck me too. This kind of spinperbole is what turns me off of Michael Moore. Too bad, that was a nice rant, but I was only half connected because of that line right there.
     

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