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This is why Curry's not MVP

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by ScolaIsBallin, Mar 8, 2015.

  1. ferrari77

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    His #1 argument in addition to a list of others.

    Anyway, and another one

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Blake Griffin's pick for MVP is James Harden.</p>&mdash; Arash Markazi (@ArashMarkazi) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArashMarkazi/status/586587474383613952">April 10, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

    Good thing the Union decided to create their own awards voted on by players because that might be the one Harden wins. (Given the manner in which the media fellate every game and every thing Curry plays in and does).
     
  2. daywalker02

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    Harden should probably win the award because when the season ends he has something to fall back on unless he grows some balls in the playoffs
     
  3. t_mac1

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    The Warriors are 10+ games ahead of the Rockets. You can't be the most valuable in the league if your team is 10 games behind the guy you're competing for the award against.

    Again, put down the damn drug.
     
  4. tmactoyao

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    nash in 06 won it at 54 wins. mavs had 60 wins, spurs had 63 wins, pistons had 64 wins.
     
  5. t_mac1

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    Spurs and Pistons had balance; no one stood out.

    The other best individual players were Kobe, Lebron, AI, Wade, Arenas, but they were on mediocre teams.

    Dirk was great, but "technically" Dallas was a 4th seed.

    Harden and Curry have COMPARABLE numbers. Both best players of their teams. Both will be all-nba.

    Different scenarios.
     
  6. Zergling

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    Alex Rodriguez says hi
     
  7. tmactoyao

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    dirk had way better stats, more wins, and a way higher win share. billups even had a higher win share and comparable numbers sans fg %. just pointing out that you can be most valuable, like nash was, despite having less wins.

    curry is getting it more because of the "best player on best team" notion rather than being the "MOST valuable," which shouldn't have to be the case.
     
  8. roslolian

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    This really says it all. Why don't you put down the damn drug? Curry's Warriors are not a 1 man show, if Curry has an off night they will still win because the Warriors have Iggy, Klay Thompson and Bogut on the squad. With Dwight out and/or playing limited minutes who will the Rockets turn to for their wins if Harden is off? JSmith? Donatas Motiejunas?

    MVP is an individual award, obv some team success has to play a part in it since you don't want blackholes with distorted usage rates to win it, however the disparity between the supporting casts of Curry and Harden are leagues apart so why are you using a team result to determine an individual award?
     
  9. oelman44

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    As much as I hate to say it, unless Harden has some historic performances coming up here I think the MVP is Curry's.

    Really hated Steph saying Harden's comments are "a little aggressive." Came across as so condescending and arrogant to me. Steph Curry won't say he deserves the MVP because he is so 'humble' and 'down to earth', but suggesting someone else should win is too aggressive? Such a classic ESPN-circlejerk.

    I think the too have had equally terrific seasons, but I think the media always wanted Harden to win. Occasionally when Harden goes off they will give him some props, but it is usually nothing more than Ad-Lib and backhand compliments. They picked their MVP a long time ago. I don't think Houston will ever get the sports respect it deserves.
     
  10. t_mac1

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    So MJ should give back all his MVPs? Magic? Kareem? Bird? Shaq? Lebron? Because they played with HOFs.

    Since when do we penalize great players who played with other great players? (Outside of the Lebron hate).

    I'm serious, do a lot of you guys just start watching the NBA? Because the MVP isn't that hard really.
     
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    There's nothing James can do, they'd give it to Curry anyway because of the best player in the best team childish theory.
     
  12. ferrari77

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    Since we started penalizing other great players for not having the best record in the league during an MVP caliber season.

    Great for you that the MVP award "isn't that hard really". Go have a seat next to Marc Spears,Tim Kawakami and the other media personalities on ESPN and elsewhere that feel that way. Let the rest of us ON CLUTCHFANS- THE HOUSTON ROCKETS MESSAGEBOARD maintain our seats in the Harden and Curry are both deserving of the MVP camp/Harden is MVP camp- next to Bill Simmons, Zach Lowe, Kate Fagan, Ramona Shelbourne, Blake Griffin, Anthony Davis, etc.

    Cool?
     
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  13. CHI

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    Greatest shooter of all time.. and leading the best team in the Western Conference. I'd say he has the MVP locked up.
     
  14. oelman44

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    Except Steph doesn't really have the stats that any of those guys have. I wouldn't be complaining at all if Curry was putting up MJ like stats, but in reality his stats aren't any better than Harden's, and Harden has done it with a whole lot less help
     
  15. daoshi

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    The GSW will finish with 67 wins, which will put them in the top ten of all time with most regular season wins. Without Curry, they would fight with the Pelicans, the OKCs, and the Suns, for the last playoff spot.

    Without Harden, the Rockets should be able to win about 40+ games, that would put them a little below above teams.

    Talking about the value to your team, the defense basically picks him up at half court, won't allow him to have any breath room with, or without the ball, I don't think anyone has received this kind of attention in NBA history.
     
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  16. B-Bob

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    This makes no logical sense, unless MVP literally means "leading scorer on the best team." And that's not at all what "most valuable" tends to mean. If it was leading scorer on the best team, there would be no voting.

    Curry will get it, because UnderArmour + ESPN have decreed it, along with Steph having a great season.
     
  17. ferrari77

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    Because of the tough western conference amirite?

    Well, if w/o Curry the GSW would be fighting with the Pelicans, OKC and the suns for the 8th seed, the Rockets would be a lottery team w/o Harden.

    You either haven't watched the Rockets enough this season or you were smoking before posting if you think the Rockets "should be able" to win about 40 + games without Harden. That's beyond a "drugs are bad mmmkay" comment.

    Factor in the injuries and the coach the Rockets have on the bench and 35 wins would be an achievement.
     
  18. B-Bob

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    You are really crazy if you think this lineup wins 40+ games this year:

    Bev
    Jason Terry
    Ariza
    J Smoove
    DMo (when healthy)

    They would struggle to beat the Lakers. You must be trolling.
     
  19. daoshi

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    You guys really under estimated the talent for the rest of the Rockets team. Harden hold the ball for more than 50% of the possessions, everything the Rockets do is centered around him. But when given the limited opportunity, Dmo, Jones, Ariza, even Smith can really contribute, they just couldn't do much with the way the Rockets plays.

    You forget about Howard. Yes he was out a while due to injury, but he still played a number of games, and would be the center of the offense without Harden.

    Look at Harden's shooting %, I'm not sure anyone with that kind of % should be allowed to take that many shots.
     
  20. B-Bob

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    Well, at least my ignore list is getting some action today.
     

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