Apparently y'all are not fans of Mystery Science Theater 3000. Essentially every movie they show on there would beat just about anything mentioned so far. The worst I've seen was called "Manos: Hands of Fate." I mean, damn it was horrible. I'm confident me and a 50 dollar budget could've produced something of greater quality. Hey director, try not staying on a shot of an open field for like 15 seconds. My favorite episode ever is when they do "Final Sacrifice." The movie is horrible, but the comedy from that episode is classic.
I've never actually paid attention to the flick titles in Mystery Science Theater 3000. I've spent more time trying to figure out what the bobbly things are in the "viewers" heads... They are hilarious.
Elvis, t'ing is, all those movies have inherent unintentional comedy factors weighing heavily on their entertainment value. The three I mentioned just made me angry. Although two other movies made me just as angry with their levels of self-absorbtion: "Big Chill" and "American Beauty." Evil, evil stuff.
Man, I liked Blow, as well as American Beauty and the Big Chill. How precisely is "self-absorption" bad in a movie? Most movies are autonomous units, so I don't really know what you mean. Blow was too depressing to watch twice, though.
hey, i liked fight club and dude where's my car was the dumbest movie EVER. wait...there was that "and then....and then" part which is very annoying. i like that part.
The MST3K stuff is so unbelievably terrible that I think it's on a whole other level. Blow, however, *sucked*. It ripped off every possible Scorsese-ism *so* blatantly (panning shots, wall to wall music, voice-overs, etc) while managing to make itself *incredibly* uncompelling, if that's a word. I didn't care what happened to any of the characters and none of them were the least bit developed anyway. No nuance, no emotion, nothing. At least Paul Thomas Anderson ripped off Scorsese with some flair in Boogie Nights (although his Altman tribute was really awful - I nominate Magnolia as another *bad* movie that was supposed to be A-list). I have a fondness for The Big Chill, but I realise that its message is pretty icky. "Let's get together and congratulate ourselves for selling out our principles and becoming yuppie scum!" Although I'm a sucker for that one character that William Hurt and Jeff Goldblum always do in their movies. American Beauty I liked. With a few reservations. Another awful one from the 80s that showed on VH1 recently: Vision Quest. Matthew Modine and Linda Fiorentino, and some kind of wrestling championship thingy. Unintentionally funny though.
Eeek. I just remembered that Ted Demme is dead. A little ungracious to hate his movie so much right now. Sorry dude.
Blow was too depressing to watch? haha. Towards the end of the movie, I was feeling sorry for the guy. I had to take a double take to realize what i was thinking about.... feeling sorry for a guy (who according to this movie) brought drug dealing to the United States as a whole. The movie was a joke ... it glorified drug dealing.
Ah, then you didn't look very deeply. I thought it's treatment of the issue was pretty decent. I can't see how anyone could look critically at the movie, and think that it was promoting drug dealing. Certainly, the characters enjoyed parts of the lifestyle. They lived very well at times. And that's just true. Drug dealing can be extremely profitable. The character's weren't all completely evil, either. And that's also true. While it may offend mass ethics to think so, not all people who deviate from professional norms... and even engage in something that is of dubious moral content... are terrible in every way.
My self-test for whether or not a movie 'glorifies' something: If it makes you want to do it, it's probably glorifying it. Blow didn't make me want to run out and buy an eightball. So I don't think it glorified drug-dealing or drug-taking. But it still sucked, for many other reasons. Trainspotting, although it didn't inspire me to become a Scottish heroin addict, probably 'glorified' drug-taking a little because it was so exhilarating. But it was a really good movie. Just because a film has a positive attitude to something we might personally disagree with, that doesn't mean it's bad as a piece of art, or whatever. I agree with haven about the 'characters not being completely evil' thing. Complexity is good!
He brought Columbian Cocaine to the US (with help from Pablo Escabar) I saw it in the theatre and I actually liked it. Fight Club was very good. Fuc*ing crazy. I still like Over the Top and Lock Down, so screw you guys. Oh and all the Ernest movies RULE!!! Ernest P. Worrell. (scary that BGM and I agree...)
I see your point on "Big Chill." The film is like a giant rationalization for selling out. What a bunch of self-absorbed bastards, too! Their friend kills himself and all they talk about (and talk and talk and talk) is about themselves! Maybe it is not fair, but this movie kind of makes me hate a lot of the yuppie '60's generation. I don't want to get into a rant here, but.. they have spent 30 years patting themselves on the back for the anti Vietnam war and civil rights movement (as if white college students were most responsible for stopping the war, or getting civil rights legislation!), but they had no problem selling their political values and music down the river when fashions changed. All these so-called revolutionaries became nothing more than a bad Dockers commerical. It seems like every song from the '60's is on a Burger King, or Nissan commercial now. No wonder kids are apathetic. Isn't it incredible that the same group of people who had the credo of "All You need is Love" evolved into believing that "He Who Dies With the Most Toys Wins?!" That is kind of what that movie says to me.
NOTHING can be worse than Wild Wild West (in terms of pure hype, budget, acting, dialogue, and plot). Okay, Waterworld and Godzilla are close, but Waterworld had decent fights, and Godzilla had Hank Azaria and Harry Shearer (okay, I'm stretching here, but what the heck).
I'm sticking to Mars Attacks - but I'm sure there are a *lot* of bad movies out there I've chosen not to see over the years.
