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This is the worst thing ever

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by TesseracT, Nov 23, 2009.

  1. RocketRaccoon

    RocketRaccoon Contributing Member

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    Although I can't even imagine stuck in my head for 23 years, I know for a fact your suggestion would be at the very bottom of my list of "ways to go".

    Living inside my head for 23 years alive or fire and death under a car.

    I'll take the "alive" side.

    side note: I wonder what his dreams were like. Actually I'm kind of sad that with 23 years of only mental life he couldn't figure out some kind of Jedi mind trick...or at least push something off the table. I was really hoping that was a possibility for us.
     
  2. TesseracT

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    Just realizes that this guy has been in this state for my ENTIRE lifetime.

    That's absolute insanity.
     
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    <a href='http://img694.imageshack.us/i/1871.gif/'><img src='http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/8307/1871.gif' border='0' alt='Image Hosted by ImageShack.us'/></a><br/>

    Well, ain't you the slice of cutie pie they said you was?
     
  4. RocketRaccoon

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    Hey, a Chuck sighting! How's the temple bud? Get that Achilles fixed?
     
  5. Dairy Ashford

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    I was thinking more of the creepy orderly from Terminator 2.
     
  6. david_rocket

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    you are right, I remember that epiosde too.
     
  7. dntrwl

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    reminds me of that metallica video... "one"
     
  9. rezdawg

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    This was the worst thing ever, until earlier tonight, when the Texans took the field.
     
  10. Chamillionaire

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    +1

    and the game against the colts too. pretty bad 2 games with a nice bye week in the middle to think about it.

    fire kubiak!!!
     
  11. brantonli24

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    Actually, I think the worst thing ever is when I ask for an iced coffee at McDonalds and they put too much ice in it.
     
  13. Ottomaton

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    The story is a fraud, giving false hope to the family, which is operating along the lines of Clever Hans, where the expectations of the "facilitator" are the true source for the responses.

    [rquoter]
    This Cruel Farce Has To Stop!

    Written by James Randi
    Monday, 23 November 2009 20:42

    I'm enraged. Several perceptive persons have sent me to msnbc.com - where we can see Dr. Nancy Snyderman relating a story. It's a heartrender, described thus by Dr. Snyderman:

    <blockquote>A mother [in Belgium] says her son has emerged from what doctors thought was a vegetative state to say he was fully conscious for 23 years but could not respond because he was paralyzed.</blockquote>
    No, that is not what the man said, Dr. Snyderman. That's what an incompetent layperson typed for him! I ask you to first go to http://tinyurl.com/y8lku48, and note the section of the video from 12 to 35 seconds, then come back here.

    This is yet another obvious example of abysmal, practiced, purposeful ignorance by medical personnel - including Dr. Snyderman and her staff who prepared this piece. I cannot understand how anyone, professional medical person or layman, can continue to believe that the farce known as "Facilitated Communication" [FC] represents anything other than a fantasy that was begun back in 1977, when an Australian woman named Rosemary Crossley came up with the idea that autistic persons could express their thoughts via a keyboard when their hand was "supported" by what she called a "facilitator." In 1989, Douglas Biklen, a sociologist and professor of special education at Syracuse University, eagerly took up her cause, and as a result vast sums were donated to SU by friends and family members of autism victims - money that was simply wasted in futile "research."

    I personally investigated this matter. In March of 1992 I was contacted by Dr. Anne M. Donnellan, of the University of Wisconsin-Madison, who asked if I would be willing to participate in an investigation of FC as used with autistic children. I was already familiar with FC, and suggested to her that I felt the researchers were perhaps under the influence of the Clever Hans Effect [CHE], also known as the "ideomotor effect," in which the trainer - the facilitator in this case - was unconsciously transmitting the information to the autistic child. This possibility was emphatically denied by Dr. Donnellan, and I was assured that every care had been taken to ensure that the CHE was not in operation. The Clever Hans Effect is notorious in psychology. Early in the last century, a horse named Clever Hans - in German, der Kluge Hans - was claimed to have been able to perform arithmetic and other simple intellectual tasks. In 1907, psychologist Oskar Pfungst showed conclusively that the horse was not actually performing these mental tasks, but was reacting to cues provided by his trainer.

    My tests of autistic children at the University of Wisconsin-Madison clearly showed that FC was simply a tragic farce. My findings were totally ignored. The full account of this matter will be discussed in detail in my next book, A Magician in the Laboratory.

    The "facilitated communication" process consists of the "facilitator" actually holding the hand of the subject over the keyboard, moving the hand to the key, then drawing the hand back from the keyboard! This very intimate participatory action lends itself very easily to transferring the intended information to the computer screen. In the video you have just viewed, it is very evident that (a) the "facilitator" is looking directly at the keyboard and the screen, and (b) is moving the subject's hand. The video editing is also biased, giving angles that line up the head of the subject with the screen, as if the subject were watching the screen.

    This man in the msnbc.com piece is not seeing the screen. He is not aware of what is going on. He is an unknowing victim of these charlatans. A simple test - such as that done on October 19th, 1993, in a Frontline (PBS) documentary highlighting these concerns, "Prisoners of Silence," would prove that FC is a total fraud. This powerful and comprehensive program proved that FC was a delusion.

    Dr. Snyderman, how did this get by you? The evidence is right there on the screen! Others have solved this fraud. The Association for Behavior Analysis International (ABAI), the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, and the American Association on Mental r****dation, have no doubts about this. ABAI calls FC a "discredited technique" and warns that "its use is unwarranted and unethical." The Association for Science in Autism Treatment reviewed the research and position statements and concluded that the messages typed were controlled by the facilitator, not by the individual with autism, and that FC did not improve language skills.

    We critics of FC question why people can apparently give speeches in public - via a keyboard and a "facilitator" - and go to college - similarly "assisted" - yet they cannot answer a series of simple questions under controlled conditions! Psychologist Daniel Wegner, professor of psychology at Harvard University and a fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science has stated that facilitated communication is a striking example of the ideomotor effect, and tests of FC show that it is a complete fraud, farce, and delusion!

    Please, Dr. Snyderman, may we hear from you, in light of what appears here?

    [/rquoter]

    source
     
  14. DrLudicrous

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    There was an episode of Alfred Hitchcock Presents like that.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0508134/
     
  15. TesseracT

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    Yeah dude.

    You know of Periphery? similar band, awesome as well.
     
  16. Kyakko

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  17. rocketsjudoka

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    That's interesting and I was just watching the news where they showed the man communicating with the aid of a facilitator. They said that the facilitator was trained to feel slight movements in the man's hand and help guide his hand to the keyboard. They even acknowledged from the layman's point of view it appears like the facilitator is doing all of the work.

    At the moment I am hesitant to say if this is a fraud with the facilatory really giving the impression of consciousness. According to what I've read advanced brain imaging showed he was conscious. So while there might be an argument his communication is faked he is actually conscious, unfortunately still trapped in his own body.
     
  18. Dr of Dunk

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    There's been a lot of show episodes with this theme, I think. I believe there was an episode of the Twilight Zone that was something along the lines of this.

    BTW, if he was in the car wreck in 1983, but he was in a coma 23 years, either he woke up about 3 years ago or he didn't go into a coma until 3 years after the wreck... or... I've worked too many hours today and am missing something completely obvious.
     

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