DaDakota wrote >Well he is RIGHT ON THE MONEY when talking about Steve NOT >leading. >The problem is that we have no committment to team play, no >committment to defense, and no committment to changing the >way they do things. >Steve is an amazing talent, but he has ZERO clue in how to win >in the NBA, especially in close games that matter. >He is a HORRID leader, and the rest of the team stands around >while he fumbles the ball around and then MAYBE..MAYBE >passes it off with 2 seconds left on the shot clock. Well I would day that Steve is a horrible point guard. Ok nothing new there but the Rockets organization needs to call it quits on the Steve as point guard experiment and put a real point guard in his place. Slide him to the 2 guard and just let him do what he does best score points. You are right though about the lack of committment to team play. it is unfortunate that our backcourt hogs the ball so much. How KT manged this season to look so impressive is beyond me (Man he has great footwork that reminds me of vintage Barkley).
Maybe we are better than Utah, when healthy? IF Griff had played, Collier and Langhi may have played less. That is a plus/ Regardless, we split our season with Utah, so Steve isn't that off-base. If it weren't for his migraines, our record could be comparable to Utah's. It isn't that far fetched.
According to you and me, no. But some drunk in chat all but insisted that Hakeem was THE reason we won 45 games.
I won't say Hakeem was the reason, but he did sure help in the last 2 months, when he averaged like 15 and 10.
oh my According to you and me, no. But some drunk in chat all but insisted that Hakeem was THE reason we won 45 games lmao That being said, we starters were in the game the majority of the 4th quarter when the game was ultimately decided weren't collier and langhi hoopin it up at the beginning of the 4th when the lead was being trimmed, or is my memory bad Finally, Steve's selfishness that I've been talking about the last half year has shone through to some of you guys steve, please be the SG, steve please shoot more, steve, take over more. i'm sorry steve, now you're selfish. We should however, all come together and thank the hoops gods that we lost......BALLS BALLS BALLS, BOUNCY BOUNCY PING PONG BALLS. best post in this thread Steve is an amazing talent, but he has ZERO clue in how to win in the NBA, especially in close games that matter. He is a HORRID leader, and the rest of the team stands around while he fumbles the ball around and then MAYBE..MAYBE passes it off with 2 seconds left on the shot clock. Dadakota, you have now officially become obsessive to the point of insanity (and no bottle of wine to fall back on this time). So ZERO clue how to win, I guess the 45 wins from last year just dropped out of the sky. Oh nevermind, hakeem's great play for 6 weeks did it, all 45 wins. oh and the rest of the credit goes to mo taylor. shame steve didn't help us win any of those games. And especially in close games???? who hit all those shots in the 4th quarter and OT early in the season before the injuries. who won the detroit and utah games with buzzer beaters. hmmm lets think. also, steve needs to stop not leading a team that is 2-20 (that's an .091 winning percentage) without him to a .500 record with him. and if you say but who have we played, i think i'll kill myself. I don't care if we played the dream team those 22 games and the st. marie's all girl school JV team the other 48, anyone who takes an 091 team and makes them 500 knows what he is doing. Langhi and Collier took 1 official shot between them for the game. Whose fault is that? i guess langhi and collier's. judging from the chat last night they had some minutes so they coulda shot. also, they didn't seem to be out there much with steve so how was he supposed to pass it to them. and would everyone get off steve's mother****ing case. dude scores 32 points and everyone b****es about him only scoring 8 in the second half. steve, you shoulda had 48, no excuses. hell he shot 7 shots in the 4th quarter, so he didn't exactly shy away from the pressure. now he only went 1-7, but how exactly do you remedy that. tell steve "hey i think you should make the next one?". if you wanna argue they were bad/stupid shots, well you might have a point but i can't see the game on tv so i don't know one way or the other. and like was said above, we lost, so the night wasn't all bad. edit: forgot to add. I don't think steve is perfect by any stretch of the imagination (esp on D) but the criticism he gets on this board is in-freakin-sane. he's an all star in his third year (coulda been 2nd), i think we should all be happy he's this damn good already. i look forward to a future with steve at the PG.
As a resident Drunk in chat last night...I DO stand by my Hakeem was the reason we won 45 games last year. As soon as he quit sulking and decided to play defense and rebound and get his on putbacks and the occassional play he averaged like 17-10 and we went on a winning streak. Francis is good, but he makes far too many mistakes to be a team leader..... DaDakota
Your memory is fine. The key word however is majority. collier played almost 3 minutes and Langhi a bit more than 3 minutes of the 4th quarter. The starters played the majority of the minutes. When Langhi and Collier both left the game, the Rockets still had the lead (albeit it was 4 points).
So, if Hakeem didn't sulk at all, would we have won at 50? Was he good enough to average 17/10 last year? He's barely getting half of those #'s this year. Cuttino/Steve were the keys last year, just as they are the keys to the team this year. The difference? No MoT and no Francis for 1/4 of the season.
No, Hakeem was the difference, Steve and Cat are both scoring at a higher pace, and KT has more then picked up the slack of losing MO T. The difference is that STeve and Cat HAD TO RESPECT dream and could tone down their stupid play. One look from Dream and they would play smarter, this year, they have had free reign.....it is like they just lowered the drinking age to 19 again, and Steve and Cat are of age. They have NO CLUE how to conduct themselves in a winning manner. DaDakota
When Olajuwon left, I was pretty happy, because I then assumed that Francis and Mobley would be "unchained". Unfortunately, this pathetic season is one result of Francis and Mobley doing their own thing. We really need a coach who commands the respect of Francis and Mobley. They make the same stupid mistakes everytime, and seem to ignore Rudy. Hell, they ignore the whole team except for their tagalong friend, Moochie.
So, why isn't Moe being ripped for saying almost exactly what I said? Oh, right. His initials aren't "ZRB". Not that I think he should be ripped, since I pretty much agree with him.
I'm with Dakota to a point. Both Mobley and Francis need to grow up. I've seen signs that Mobley is starting to come of age, but Steve still seems to have a "big head" sometimes and can try to do too much every once in awhile. One problem that I've seen is that he really doesn't trust his teammates 110%, but he also hasn't really had the most stable lineup to play with.
Don't forget the Rappin' Wizard He commands as much respect in the lockeroom as anyone else just because he has a confident, dominate personality. Walt's not exactly the best role model. Yeah Walt you've been in the league 10 years and we respect that I guess, but you could have been an all star if you would have worked on your game like the great ones. Cato has the same disease "I play video games all day long" I read another quote from him in preseason, something along the lines of "I'll just work myself into game shape as i go, but Cat's crazy he's always in the gym" WTF??? Just how many millions of dollars does it take to get your lazy ass to run a mile every day in the offseason I just hope Cat adopts Eddie, they could be gym rats together Then maybe.... just maybe.... Cat will give up the rock a bit.
I'm still waiting on an answer kidrock. If Steve is SOOOOOOOO against being a SG, then why do I see him at SG when we go with the 3 guard lineup?
It's good that Steve admitted that we gave away the game,but it was poor defense and lack of execution that led to our downfall. The whole team bears responsibility for losing,even when the refs are going against them. Steve has a lot of growing up to do,saying that we are better than Utah and not winning makes us look foolish.I wish we had a veteran in the backcourt like Avery Johnson who could help Steve and Cat out.
At 25 years old, Steve should be a leader???? Bullsh!t. Cut him some slack folks, the dude has PLENTY of maturing/growing room. In the business world, being 25 years old, I would think that many, including myself, would be a little crappy in a leader/manager/advisor position. Over time, eventually we would develop trust and confidence in ourselves and our employees working for us, and be more competent leaders/managers/advisors. There is this fun concept called patience which is a great thing to practice. Jesus some of you expect way too much from this young team......
