thinking outside of the box...

Yeah, but your 'reasons' are because Steve and Co. are buddies.

Can you really not understand why our team would suck with this trade? You're giving away our best scoring option(top 5 percentage wise and improving) in the league for a bunch of roleplayers that'll all have to be shooting well(and traditional don't) to stand a chance to win any game..think seattle with worse shooters. This trade is ridiculous and nobody would be stupid enough to make it. There is your reason. Now, where are your legitimate ones?

 

Looking at that lineup I didn't think I needed to give reasons but I will. First you want to trade the second best center at 23 years old who is the only current player in the world to rival Shaquille in more ways than one.

Secondly, you want to trade him for a 33 year old point guard to back up, a second string power forward/ small forward in Brian Cardinal, an average NBA caliber small forward in Dunlevy, and lastly, a nearly thirty year old unmotivated center in Erick Dampier, who only plays when he wants.

Thirdly, one of the main problems with this Rockets team this past season was the backcout; and you want to keep them together?

Fourthly, you compare this lineup to that of the Mavericks and King; and I will ask you, what have they done?

And finally, who is going to be your player to carry the team in the playoffs?

 

We tried all of that before.

 

We usually won't be that rude to actually say it out. But the thread starter can get the idea from the rating...

 

JVG spent the entire season demanding that we feed the post, feed the post, feed the post.

Now you wanna throw that all away so that NVE can sit on our bench ... yeah, we'd have a deep bench, but also the worst starting 5 in the league.

It's about quality, not quantity.

Wake me up when the league changes the rules and we can start 8 players.

 

I know. We can bring back Moochie and he can hit a half court bank shot at the buzzer to help us get past the Clippers.

 

Over the years, the team with the best player in the league usually ends up in the Championships. (Jordan, Dream, Duncan, Shaq for the last dozen years) If our objective is to play for the championship, rather than have a great team, then you don't trade a player who many are saying could become the greatest player in the game in the near future. You surround him with as good a players as you can find.

Is there another player that someone says might become the greatest player in the game in the next 10 years? Well, if he's out there, then maybe you could trade for him, but I don't see anyone like that on Golden State's roster.

Is Stevie viewed as the possibly the greatest player in the game in the next 10 years? If not, then he CAN be traded, but for better fitting parts of similar value, otherwise he stays. We shouldn't trade him, just to trade him. Great players adjust. Stevie can adjust. He can be taught. Stevie just doesn't have the basketball IQ and training he needs to play PG effective with Yao. He could be THE star on another team. We need a PG who can pass and be a good floor general. So, we need to make changes at PG.

The huge loss in our rebuilding is at PF. (1) Griffin self-destructed, (2) Taylor was injured and never turned out to be what we hoped, and (3) we let Thomas get away for nothing.

These are the 2 positions we have to solve this off-season somehow, by using the TE and trading of our pieces for better fitting ones.

 

KILLL ME NOW

 

MacBeth wrote a six-word post! I've seen everything.

 

Yeah, like get a high lottery pick...

We need a player better than Steve on this team to succeed. Surrounding Steve with a bunch of good roleplayers won't accomplish squat.

 

Jonathon Feigen: All 29 teams will line up if Yao is on the trading block. Then shrinks will line up to treat whoever did that trade.

 

Hah!!!

No matter how many times I see this it never gets old....

 

He is suppose to be this great passing center - I've never seen it.

Hard to pass when you get shaky entry passes down the low post. It's also hard to pass when you're getting double/triple teamed.


He is suppose to be a good defender - I'll I see is him leaving his feet and making stupid fouls.

for reference: see 1st round of playoffs. Combination of Cato and Yao neutralized Shaq.

I have never seen someone fall so much in my life. He is soft and has no power moves. What good is a 7'6 center who shoots fadeaways and 15 foot jump shots?

It's kind of hard NOT to fall when your center of gravity is that high. And hmmm...what good IS a 7'6" center who shoots fadeaways and 15ft jump shots...and actually makes them? and when he does make them, that draws the opposing center outside a bit more, leaving room for the others to penetrate.

He is not a great rebounder.

Good rebounder. Not great. i AGREE


I am not the biggest Stevie fan either... but I think at least if you surround him with the right people something good can happen.

Right...we give him basically one of the top 3 centers in the NBA today and what has happened so far? And good things happen when you surround good players with good players...this doesn't just only happen for STeve

 

1. How does a lousy entry pass make it that much more difficult to pass? Once you gather the ball it should have no impact on your passing....moreover, I think that Jackson, who threw the majority of entry passes, does a fine job. I think Yao's lack of "quick" leaping ability makes it harder for him to get to some of those passes.

2. Getting double and triple teamed is why Yao is supposed to be utilized as a passer in the first place, it gives him an open man to pass to (See Olajuwon, Hakeem), and at 7-6, his court vision should be less impeded by a double team than anybody in the league.

There may be reasons not attributable to him why we don't see him make that many great passes anymore, but those two are not them.

 

I wont be happy with Yao's rebounding until he averages 14 per game. A 7'6" guy should not settle for just 9 or 10 per game. That's not very good for him. He could do a lot better.

 

Sure it would. You have to leave your base to gather it, as a result are often off balance, and by the time you re set, if you can, time is low, and pass options have to be forced if you don;t get position. Additionally, when you leave your base you are often drawn into other defensive players' zones of influence, and they are now taking swipes at the ball, so you have to concentrate on maintaining the ball more, and as such are not seeing the floor well.

 

1. see my post above (I just edited) re: Yao's trouble with quick leaping and gathering.

2. I don't think time is that much of a factor because the entry pass to Yao is usually part of a deliberate post play, a la hakeem (catch, wait for double team, pass the ball to spots on the floor where the double teamer comes from as opposed to players), not a quick moving play with pick setting and back door cuts.

3. The entry pass is usually on the left low block, a poorly thrown one will usually send him closer to the sideline, but seldom out towards guard help.

4. Again, I think the assertion that Yao is hampered constantly by poor entry passes is unproven and likely to be false.

The last reason hits toward the heart of what I am saying: it's quite tenuous to attribute Yao's recent non-passing to poor entry passes to any significant degree, which is what I was countering, and even more dubious to attribute it to double teaming.

 

Rebounding is attitude and anticipation, not size. See Unseld, Barkley, Russell, etc.