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Things we know Palin is not

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by FranchiseBlade, Sep 10, 2008.

  1. FranchiseBlade

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    You are playing semantics. The point is that it's a lie. Palin didn't correct them and still goes out and talks about selling the plane in order to give the impression that what McCain said was true.

    If you are ok being mislead and manipulated, but rationalize it because her boss and not her told the actual lie while she continued to be purposefully misleading about it, then I wish I could help you.
     
  2. DaDakota

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    Palin lies about Earmarks:

    <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/PlYJVzX2OGo&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/PlYJVzX2OGo&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

    Palin's speech fact checked against Budget records...

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    I have to use video because apparently some people are too lazy to read.

    More to come.

    DD
     
  3. ROXRAN

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    Just as soon as you admit you lied to fudge up the rhetoric against Palin... :cool:
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    Whether you admit it or don't, the lie is there for all to see. By denying what is very plain and apparent you aren't doing yourself any favors.
     
  5. Nero

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    You know, you talk a lot about 'facts' n stuff, to have fallen for this one.

    Just goes to show, no matter what people say, ideology trumps everything.


    Putting the Lie in Library

    By JAMES TARANTO
    September 9, 2008

    Sarah Palin seems like a perfectly normal person, but partisans both in and out of the media have been busily trying to depict her as some sort of religious nut. Among other things, Palin's opponents claim that as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, she was a "book banner"--which is to say, that she sought to have books removed from the local public library. This claim has been debunked--but not before it has spread all over the Internet with the help of some in the mainstream media.

    The book-banner tale seems to have originated in a widely circulated Aug. 31 email from Anne Kilkenny, who is not a "South Park" character but a Wasilla resident and harsh Palin critic:

    While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the Librarian are on her enemies list to this day.

    On Sept. 2, Time magazine repeated the tale, attributing it to John Stein, Palin's predecessor as mayor, whom she defeated in the 1996 election:

    Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor.

    The same day, Blogress Jessamyn West, a Vermont librarian, posted the Time story to her site, Librarian.net, and added that "Mary Ellen Baker resigned from her library director job in 1999."

    A reader of the blog named Andrew AuCoin then posted "the list of books Palin tried to have banned"--90 of them in all. Another reader, Charlie Brown, noticed that the list actually seemed to originate at this page--where it appears under the headline "Books Banned at One Time or Another in the United States." But the phony list was already making its way around the Internet. On Sept. 6, a reader forwarded it to us, having received it from a friend, who received it from another friend, who received it from her mother, a librarian.

    As it turns out, not only was the list a fake, but when the Anchorage Daily News investigated the story, it found no evidence that Palin had ever sought to remove books from the library. Baker (who was then named Emmons) did tell the local paper back in 1996 that Palin asked her, in the Daily News's words, "about possibly removing objectionable books from the library if the need arose." Emmons "flatly refused to consider any kind of censorship."

    Kilkenny makes an appearance in the Daily News story, quoting Palin as asking Baker at a City Council meeting, " 'What would be your response if I asked you to remove some books from the collection?' " Baker's response was firm and negative, according to Kilkenny, who acknowledges that Palin did not cite any specific books for removal.

    The chairman of the Alaska Library Association's Intellectual Freedom Committee tells the Daily News that there is no evidence in her files of any censorship at the Wasilla library. As for Baker's resignation, it appears to be unrelated to the putative censorship:

    Four days before the exchange at the City Council, Emmons got a letter from Palin asking for her resignation. Similar letters went to police chief Irl Stambaugh, public works director Jack Felton and finance director Duane Dvorak. John Cooper, a fifth director, resigned after Palin eliminated his job overseeing the city museum.

    Palin told the Daily News back then the letters were just a test of loyalty as she took on the mayor's job, which she'd won from three-term mayor John Stein in a hard-fought election. Stein had hired many of the department heads. Both Emmons [i.e., Baker] and Stambaugh had publicly supported him against Palin.

    Emmons survived the loyalty test and a second one a few months later. She resigned in August 1999, two months before Palin was voted in for a second mayoral term.

    Yet the myth that Sarah Palin is a "book banner" has taken hold, at least on the left. It shows up, for instance, in two Salon articles (here and here) today.

    Blogger Jim Lindgren notes another example, a CNN report from yesterday:

    [Palin] also talked to church members about "being saved" at the Assembly of God and suggested to them that the war in Iraq is a mission from God. Palin said, "our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we are praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

    But this quote turns out to be a dowdification. Here's what Palin actually said:

    "Pray for our military. He's [Palin's son Track] going to be deployed in September to Iraq. Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do also what is right for this country--that our leaders, our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure we are praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

    "I find it hard to believe that Anderson Cooper does not understand the difference between praying for something you hope is true and stating that it is true," Lindgren writes. (The article with the misleading quote actually is written by a correspondent for Cooper's show, not Cooper himself.) It's all too easy, however, to believe that journalists would be sloppy at best when reporting stories that fit their stereotypes about Palin in particular and conservative Christians in general.

    On PBS's "Washington Week in Review" Friday, hostess Gwen Ifill reported encountering hostility on the floor of the Republican Convention: "There was a genuine grievance underneath all of that, this idea that she had been a victim and a victim of sexism and a victim of media bias." Jeanne Cummings of Politico disagreed:

    Well, I don't have any sympathy for them. I don't think there is any grievance that matters. John McCain put this woman--and she accepted--in a position to become president of the United States in the next 60 days. We don't have enough time to mess around with this. We need to know a lot more about this woman. And it's our job to find out everything we can about her, so the voters can make an educated decision about whether they want her that close to the presidency.

    Even if "this woman" has nothing to complain about, don't readers and viewers have a right to expect that journalists report what they "find out" only if it is true?"
     
  6. ROXRAN

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    Thanks for the link...

    So the information of the "harassment" that caused an Anchorage judge three years ago to warn Sarah Palin and members of her family to stop "disparaging" the reputation of Alaska State Trooper Michael Wooten, is based on allegations from an official of the Alaska State Troopers' union....

    Unions aren't corrupt....sincerely, Hoffa...

    LOL....

    More of the same fudge by the left...More of the same fudge...
     
  7. DaDakota

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    I hope you are ready for this as I back up my posts with facts, you sir...are still lacking in any......

    FOREIGN POLICY :

    Palin Hasn’t Given The War In Iraq Much Thought. Palin told the Alaska Business Monthly, “I’ve been so focused on state government, I haven’t really focused much on the war in Iraq. I heard on the news about the new deployments, and while I support our president, Condoleezza Rice and the administration, I want to know that we have an exit plan in place.” [Alaska Business Monthly Link

    Palin Has Never Been To Iraq. In her only trip overseas, Palin visited Alaska National Guard troops stationed in Kuwait and Germany in July 2007

    Palin Believes That The Iraq War Is A Task ‘From God.’ Speaking at the Wasilla Assembly of God church in June, Palin said that “our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God.” [Huffington Post Link to article


    EARMARKS:

    Palin Supported The Bridge To Nowhere. During her unveiling as McCain’s running mate, Palin claimed that she said, “Thanks, but no thanks” to federal funding for the Bridge to Nowhere. But in her 2006 campaign for governor, Palin repeatedly expressed support for the bridge project, saying Alaska should take advantage of earmarks “while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.” [Anchorage Daily News] Link to Article

    Palin Obtained $27 Million In Earmarks As Mayor Of Wasilla. As mayor of Wasilla, AK, Palin “hired a private lobbyist to help the tiny town secure earmarks from [Sen. Ted] Stevens.” “The town obtained 14 earmarks, totaling $27 million between 2000-2003.” [Associated Press] Link to article

    There is a lot lot more if you care to research it, but this should make it easy on you if you want to click and read.

    CUE...the crickets......hopefully the Palin supporters will come in and discuss the issues, but I think they will cut and run.

    DD
     
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  8. rhadamanthus

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    Nero, that really does not help - it appears to validate FB's (already validated) claim.
     
  9. Dubious

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    Statesmanlike
    Erudite
    Worldly
    Forward Thinking
    Consistent

    What she is a a convenient distraction that is working like a charm for the RNC.
    And yes she scares me because regression is always an easier sell than the tougher road of actually making progress. Human beings have an innate selective memory that always tends toward nostalgia even though the present is usually better than the past.
     
  10. ROXRAN

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    What the heck is this stinky poo on the wall? What are you trying to say exactly...You support weakness on foreign policy and earmarks...Obama is your man! Stop posting from blogs that say much of nothing except fudgy-poo...You like to play in fudgy-poo... I got your point. Awesome...

    And no more lies about Palin...Mmmkay. I understand your fear. I want to hug you and tell you everything will be okay. I feel bad for you...
     
  11. DaDakota

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    Exactly.

    DD
     
  12. rhadamanthus

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    Owning roxran is not terribly difficult, but that was a nice post.

    [​IMG]

    Ha Ha Ha and it only gets worse for roxran!
     
  13. DaDakota

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    Chirp chirp...chirp...chirp....go the crickets.

    DD
     
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    If you cannot dazzle them with brilliance. . . . . . Baffle them with bull**** - Motto of the Republicans this time around

    Rocket River
     
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    Things we know Palin is not....


    she is not a gun grabber.
     
  16. DonnyMost

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    She doesn't not use double negatives...!

    Err.. wait
     
  17. ROXRAN

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    That was good... :eek:
     
  18. ROXRAN

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    Uhhh...I'm not so sure about that... :D ...But I am sure that..um, er you can put lipstick on Clyde Drexler and it's still Clyde Drexler....
     
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    Racist.*











    *At least according to McSame's logic
     
  20. FranchiseBlade

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    please look at my post. I never said that she actually did ban books.
     

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