Different times, different norms. Kids grew up in a hurry, boys (if they made it through 8th grade it was an achievement) working full-time on the farm at age 14, girls got married early. My grandmother got married when she was 16. Times have changed, though.
Yes, the life expectancy was very short just a couple centuries ago. For example, average life expediency of seventeenth century English person was only 35 years. fifteen sixteen was very common marriage age, many were younger.
GOP establishment have also told Moore to drop out of the race. Fairly equivalent. If Menendez beats the rap, I think the Senate should move to expel him anyway, on the appearance of impropriety. When it comes to it, Democrats probably won't go along though, just like I'm a little skeptical that Senate Republicans will really block Moore if he wins his election. Democrats might reason that he'll get primaried soon enough anyway so why take the black eye. Don't you have to actually write in the person's name as a voter though? I don't think all the votes for Moore would be attributed to Sessions or whomever is the Republican stand-in. I think it would be very hard for the party to orchestrate a write-in campaign that relies on many thousands of voters writing in a particular person's name. I think the better play for Republicans would be to do nothing, let Moore win, and then expel him from the Senate and repeat the whole cycle. Or, cynically, do nothing, let Moore win, mount a effort to expel him but have it fail when some faction objects about the Will of the People and due process, and then count on Moore's conservative vote for the next 6 years.
Great for her! Today it is very common for people to live into the 90s, unthinkable in past human history. Imagine how many would be on earth if average life expectancy is 140 instead of around 80.
I feel the same way....but do we feel that way due to it being inherently creepy or due to the culture we grew up in and are a part of? While my great grandfather married a 14 year old when he was 29, I sure as hell wouldn't have. To me that would have been wrong not to mention illegal. Honestly even at my age I see anyone under 23 or so as being 12. What I'm getting at is, if we were raised in a different culture, would we feel differently about that issue? I'm thinking we would...though that's really irrelevant given that we weren't raised in a different culture so there's no excuse in either of us violating those types of cultural norms or the laws that were developed long ago to enforce them. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with a 29 year old marrying a 14 year old if that's the cultural norm.....it's absolutely not the cultural norm in America and isn't the cultural norm all that may places in the world in 2017.....and it wasn't the cultural norm in Alabama back in 1979.
Back in the 1800s, with mortality rates being what they were, if you wanted to propagate the species, you might have no choice but to shack up with a 14 year-old girl. Let's say, in the village, or town, the only woman I could get with to start a family was 14, or 15. As weird as I might feel, if I wanted to have kids, I'd probably have to do it. It's not like some of these men had the luxury of driving over to the next town in search of a mate, or finding someone via www.frontierbabes.com. So, yes, cultural norms can sometimes be dictated by necessity. I would say that in the modern industrial era, most would agree that there's an age barrier you don't cross. My daughter, who lives in San Antonio, and I have talked occasionally about friends of hers who have been pursued by older guys (heck my own daughter was harassed by this guy who worked at the hospital with her- she wouldn't tell me his name for fear I'd drive up there and make him eat his stethoscope). They fit the profile of this Moore guy. You know, going to the football games, the mall, etc. Really creepy stuff. A few of her friends flirted back, and some hooked up with them, and so there was consent in some cases. But a guy who's 30+ should just have the sense not to go there.
To some extent cultural norms and other factors (procreation) played a role for sure. Women often died in child birth and you needed them to give you sons. So there was a cultural issue at work that as soon as a woman was fertile she was a useful piece of livestock. She was useful to a mate but she was also useful to her parents to further themselves. However, a 70 year old man hooking up with a young chick isn't doing it because cultural norms or anything. He's Walder Frey admitting that he'd betray anyone for a tight piece. That's why I "lol" at Space Ghost saying we've "sexualized" women in the last few decades. The history of womankind is essentially one of sexual and procreational servitude until the last few decades.
LOL, the only poster in this thread remotely approaching "hack" status is you. You're not even very good at it. Too ham-handed without any subtlety. I do applaud your acknowledgment of Roy Moore as the ******* that he is but I disagree that he should step aside. I think he should stay in the race and defend himself as vociferously as he can. I think that our PussyGrabber-in-Chief should come to his defense as well since Melania would have been about 14 when our DumpsterFire-in-Chief was 38.
This part reminded me of this douchenozzle I know from high school. Until at least his mid 20s (maybe later, I don't know) he was going to high school football games in his letterman jacket to hang out with the high schoolers (mainly females). He ended up marrying some 18 year old and they got divorced a few months into it. Douchebags. Douchebags everywhere.
Yep. Everybody knows *that guy* who hangs around and "dates" a 16 year old, when he should be in college. edit: ^^^ exactly, "Wouldaben"
You know it is not like Roy Moore married that 14 year old girl and then tried to fukced her. And I think that we all here are far enough removed from 8th grade to not really remember what it is like to talk to a 14 year old girl. My son is 15 years old and has girls hanging round, so I have a small clue. 14 year old girls are a whole lot of crazy. I can not imagine a 32 year old adult would want to deal with that kind of crazy. Roy Moore did and that is seriously bent.
Here's a robocall being heard around Alabama. It'd be good to find out who is behind this stupidity. (I especially like the nice anti-Semitic touch of the reporter's name and the email, which is the name of Carl Bernstein's father--maybe someone is still pissed about Watergate?)
Talladega, AL | An Alabama couple has been arrested after refusing to stop having sexual intercourse during their grandmother’s funeral ceremony. Tiffany Bates, 31, and Clifton Bridges, 19, who are in fact close relatives, were apprehended by Talladega County Police after employees of the Talladega Funeral Home complained that the couple was having “loud sex,” “perturbing funeral services” as well as “scaring the guests.” Tiffany Bates and Clifton Bridges, who were both attending the funeral ceremony of their grandmother with other family members, decided to skip away from the funeral ceremony and indulge in sexual activities only meters away. “We alerted Talladega police after several unsuccessful attempts to stop them from having sex on the property of the funeral home” explained Talladega Funeral Home employee, Jane Andrews. “The woman just kept screaming and the boy just kept pounding her like he was in a p*rn movie. They both looked high as ****,” said another employee. Apparently, Tiffany Bridges and Clifton Bridges are first cousins and had been living together as a couple for the past 6 months according to family members. “There is no law against first cousins having consensual sexual relationships in Alabama, so no charges will be pressed on that account” Talladega County Deputy Sheriff, Adam Watts, said yesterday. The couple faces 26 charges for lewd and lascivious behavior, disturbing the peace, obscenity in a public place and drug possession.
Sean Hannity is losing sponsors for carrying Roy Moore’s water. Hannity thus makes a courageous stand ...
If this guy doesn’t drop out of the race, I’d say it’s still more likely than not that he wins the election. Alabama Democratic Senator just doesn’t compute. Would be nice though.
