Not sure where all the optimism for Thibodeau's offensive capabilities come from. He's never proven anything on that side of the ball... and No, helping Yao with post moves doesn't make him an offensive guru. It just means he understand the post-up game. Just like the fact that Rudy T turned Hakeem into the Dream didn't mean he could turn Stevie into a Franchise. And Rudy was a more accomplished coach than Thibodeau. I'm curious how this will appear to the FAs. Lebron and Wade both played under incredible defensive coaches. So it's not as if they're really eager to hop on the Thibodeau bandwagon because he provides a different ideology. If anything, it makes Chicago fairly bland as a destination. I don't think it hurt their chances at a big time guy. But doesn't help them either.
Or, he trades for Bobby Jackson his first year coaching to bring in someone who runs his offense well. Then brings in former player Ron Artest. Then brings in former player Kevin Martin. People used to complain that Jeff Van Gundy loved his former players and that's all he brought in -- Adelman has also brought in several of his former players.
To be fair, Martin and Artest represent pure talent upgrades. While Oakley, Weatherspoon, Mark Jackson, Rod Strickland, am I missing anyone else? All represent crap. There's nothing wrong with bringing players a coach is familiar with when you're trying to win. Adelman likely has surveyed the entire Kings roster and therefore knows who is good and who is bad. Hence, a trade with the Kings represent more certainty from the Rockets perspective, as opposed to similar players from other teams.
If he was just like JVG, why would JVG have had him as an assistant coach? Don't coaches usually like assistants that bring other things to the table?
Rick Adelman barely does any coaching. Thibs over coaches everything. Thibs will be a great coach if he has players who understand that putting in the effort will get results. If some of the guys don't buy in then it doesn't matter if some do buy in. He is a very detail oriented coach like JVG. So yes he needs the right type of players (in the NBA). Most of the NBA players don't listen to their coaches therefore making their "coaching" worthless. Adelman is more of a you guys just figure it out guy.
Bobby jackson, ron artest, and kevin martin are worlds apart from clarence witherspoon, charlie ward, etc. Not to mention acquiring rafer alston because his brother Stan van gundy recommended him. Ron artest was a big part of breaking the first round curse that jvg could not break and he had both tmac and yao in his prime. Ric Adelman has not had his core franchise players healthy and he still overachieves because his system works. To end the JVG vs. adelman debate just check out both of their records with either tmac or yao out or with both out. that stat alone will tell us the truth about who overchieved and who underachieved.
There was a rumor out there he(LeBron James) wanted Lakers assistant Brian Shaw as coach and wanted to run the triangle. Just a rumor though as far as I know.
The Rockets have given him 3 of his former players, so far. Jackson Artest Martin I'd say 2 of those 3 were/are big impact players for his squad.
Strangle. . unlike JVG's acquisitions .. these seem like upgrades rather than trying to find squares pegs to fit in square holes Rocket River
That's fine, my point was just that every coach likes to bring in guys he's comfortable with to help run his system. I don't think Adelman is too much different, though obviously he didn't do it to the extent that JVG did.
I'd bet Martin, Artest and Bobby Jackson likely played more minutes than all of the old JVG guys (Oakley, Mark Jackson, Ward, Brunson, Spoon, etc.) combined. They certainly made more money than those guys. The old JVG guys were simply cheap roster fillers. It's not like the team was sacrificing anything great for having those guys around.
I'm not sure if you think it's strange because you are correct or because these player acquisitions have more to do with the GM/Owner than the coach. Now if we want to say that coaches have a big say-so in who joins the team, then JVG's case doesn't look so hot. Another +1 in the RA column.
True, but the complaint was: What's the point of getting those guys on the roster in the first place? Just for the sake of old time nostalgia? Everybody and his grandma knew that those players had been done for about 3 years already. BTW, Bobby Jackson was quickly flipped for the Artest deal. Evidently, he was brought in just as an asset, rather than to fill the coach's needs.
