There's Really NOTHING WRONG with USING Performance Enhancing Drugs

So mostly natural and healthy choices is the same as unnatural and dangerous choices?

Working harder is a fair advantage.

 

Is it fair to say what is set as Rules of a sport is the boundary of that sport; and athletes competing in that sport are cheating for taking actions outside of that boundary - i.e. not allowed by the Rules? Vitamins are protein supplements are allowed substances by the Rules, while steroids are not. Then is taking steroids cheating? Is there any question to that?
To your point that drugs like steroids are no different than protein supplements, I think there are. Simply put, if there aren't, why so many take steroids? Please do provide specific scientific support to your argument to enrich this debate - I am interested to know.

 

Use of the word "dangerous" goes back to my Reefer Madness comments. I believe the evidence doesn't support that accusation.

All of the sports supplements that people take are way more unnatural than testosterone, which is naturally found in your blood and is produced by your body. That having been said, "naturalness" is bogus. Opium is 100% a "natural" product of the opium poppy. Does that make it good?

 

Answers to your questions have already been detailed in my posts. Specifically look for "moral rules" vs "procedural rules". If your problem is simply the rules, we can change them and both of us will be happy.

 

Synthetic testosterone is not natural. Extremely high levels are not natural. I don't say all supplements are natural, but that was a small part of what you brought up.

So you think steroids are not dangerous? You consider it all propaganda?

 

"Synthetic testosterone"... so you are happy if it is extracted from natural plant and animal sources? I didn't bring up "natural". I was responding to others who brought it up.

I think there is a large element of propaganda. The example I provided is Lyle Alzado's assertion that he got brain cancer from taking steroids, which the media repeated ad nauseum. It has no basis in fact.

 

Destroyed is obviously subjective. People have lost jobs, had reputations ruined, and so on. These things have severe effects on people. In the case of Lance Armstrong, I'd certainly consider it a fair term.

 

Give me a name and we can attempt to reduce the subjectivity.

 

Perhaps. Testosterone gained from eating a plant or animal would certainly be natural.

This is the first I'm ever hearing of Lyle Alzando or steroids being tied to brain cancer.

 

Google them for yourself, if you want to reduce your own subjectivity.

 

I have and they don't exist. You are the one making the claim of "lives ruined".

I'm going to work, which means I won't be able to respond for aprox 12 hrs.

 

Ok, your arguments is that taking drugs is not "cheating" because drugs provide similar enhancements to those provided by, say, power powders. Well, to be honest, I really don't know the truth to that scientifically. Again, by my common sense (please don't take it as an effort to disparage your argument), taking vitamins, protein supplements is a permissible part of training that is out of the question whether they constitute cheating at least because they don't provide immediate enhancements to one's performance in a sport competition that makes difference between winning and losing, roughly speaking, and they are probably safe.

 

Interesting. They are all liars according to you.

I can't trust Lance Armstrong's former associates and I can't trust the FDA.

I've always understood not to believe everything I hear, but now I know to believe nothing that I hear.

 

I've run into this problem before, SPF300, and I feel it's my duty (having worked with and dealt with many an idiot) to inform you that you're just outright stupid.

In fact, you're so stupid that you can say these stupid things and have everyone call you stupid, but you think that they're the stupid ones. That's how much of an idiot you are.

It's nothing to be embarrassed about, a lot of people are stupid.

I could sit here all day and talk to you about rules, and fairness, and integrity, but the poor, plain fact of the matter is that you're too much of a simpleton to understand.

I don't know if you're stupid because you're fifteen and don't know any better, or if you're one of those idiots who somehow managed to survive to adulthood while still remaining stupid. What I do know is that I don't care, and you're stupid.

Adjust the straps on your helmet, and let this dumbass thread fall to page 2.

 

REGULATION?

NAH LIKE YOU SAID BRAH.
If people want to eat themselves, drink themselves, or shoot themselves to death then they have the right to.

No regulation, just give athletes copious amounts of anabolic steroids and just let them have at it. Regulation? STOP INFRINGING ON MY RIGHTS TO SACRIFICE MY LONG-TERM HEALTH DUE TO PUBLIC PEER PRESSURE TO "GAIN AN EDGE".

Level the playing field is a ridiculous argument. If you ban the substance many athletes will choose not to do it. Maybe they want to play it safe, whatever. If you legalize it, even with regulation, that will FORCE everyone to take steroids. This isn't mar1juana. This is a PED. The only reason athletes take it is for the edge, not for the recreational pleasure.

You're also inviting little kids to start experimenting with anabolic steroids as well. Sure, you can put an age limit, but once kids realize that anabolic steroids will become a legal option later in life they are going to be more prone to start early.

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/teenager-used-steroids-to-bulk-up-939952