There's No Quick Fix

meh · Oct 17, 2011

Space Ghost said: ↑

And thats exactly whats wrong with our country. Everyone has the same mentality. "Whats in it for me... screw our future generation"
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Wait, so if I do care, then what happens? The government will magically for the first time in human history start to act on people's behalf?

rimrocker · Oct 20, 2011

This does a better job of conveying what i was trying to say...

We are now a nation hopelessly divided. On one side is a large faction of people who understand that the financial classes and the super-wealthy are mostly a parasitic class; that the middle class has much more in common with the poor than it does with the wealthy; that workers produce wealth, and that demand produces prosperity; that poor communities are disadvantaged not by the inherent failings of their people but by the oppressive nature of their circumstances; and that we humans and creatures of this earth are all in the same boat together.

On the other side is a large group of people who believe that over half of Americans are parasitic dead weight who should not be allowed to vote; that the interests of the middle class are aligned with the interests of hedge fund managers; that only a select few very wealthy people produce society's goods; that poor communities are poor through their own moral failings; and that the society's "producers" should behave however they please to people and creatures unfortunate enough to find themselves at their mercy.

And in the middle are about 20% of Americans paying too little attention to have much of an opinion either way.

Bipartisanship as we have known it is dead. It is not coming back. The two major political factions in America are farther apart now than they have been at any time since the Civil War. The issues that separate the country are much more fundamental than simple race resentment and minor disagreements over tax and spending policy, issues that could be resolved by a greater effort to listen to and understand the other side. The divide is profound and existential.
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I'm not sure I agree with the Civil War comment, but it is not too far off. I do agree that bipartisanship is not feasible right now and policy is not going to solve the larger issue. We need a sea change and when those happen, there's no telling which way the waves will crash.

glynch · Oct 20, 2011

rimrocker said: ↑

Come on people, there's no formula, policy, or tactic we can just magically implement to make the economy better.

We can't fix politics with a couple of ideas that address the margins of the problem... and those would likely be watered down greatly if they were to ever pass at all.

This notion that policy or new laws are going to solve our ills is foolhardy and a refuge of weak minds. We have the ability to change the economy and the country, but it won't get done debating about the finer points of term limits or CEO compensation rules.

We need to change the whole damn culture of the country, starting with politics and finance. But we won't until we reach the breaking point, and then it could go either way.
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Well, yeah sort of. The notion that policy or new laws won't do anything significant and that we have to change the whole damn culture is the refuge of the depressed or the passive position of "why try"; "nothign can be done"?

Rimrocker, having a bad week?

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