"There are little pockets of resistance." JVG Comments

Fans do not hate players!! To point out faults or analyse should not be considered hating. I dont hate any player on the Rockets. I just want Steve Francis to be the best that he can be and that being a leader that makes all his team-mates better as his primary focus. Now that JVG has seen the need to address this,I hope Steve will try and play his role more in the classic manner.
As the leader Steve should be prepared that he might not be in the limelight, as much as he would like.For example Stockton and Malone were both great players of stature, Stockton ran the Team but Malone got most of the star treatment.

 

Here some expanded quotes (taken from the game thread as quoted from hoopsworld):

 

The season hasn't even started, so I don't think it's time to concede private conversation and resort to the air it out in the media tactic. Last job that Van Gundy had, he just quit mid way through a season. I can't say that he has the whole communication piece down pat. I think he's probably an x's and o's kind of guy with a short fuse.

 

The only reason you are being referred to as "rookie" is because of your post count. You will be called "newbie" and "rookie" until your count goes up. I am not saying that it is warranted, but that is just how it is. Even Yao had to carry the veterans' luggage last year.

 

They were in response to little remarks like

"I like to debate...so please give me a stronger argument than the one you just put up."

"Nice try....." (repeatedly)

Saying these things, at least to certain posters, is a rookie mistake, and that is why you got called rookie . That being said, you do not come across as a troll at all, like some others do. You just have your opinion and disagree with the opinion of probably the majority of people in this thread. That is fine. The little remarks were not helpful in trying to further your argument, though, since they had nothing to do with the point you were trying to make, and were solely rookie attempts to needle the person you were arguing with.

 

Wait a second. Does TRG stand for "The Rockets Guy"...so now he is making up interviews with Francis?

 

Thanks JeffB!

 

Fair enough...

 

Maybe he is talking about POKEMON

 

Thanx Jeff.....it doesn't sound that bad from reading that. When comments are read out of context , they always sound bad. Basically the team sucks rt now, but it will come together hopefully sooner than later.

 

From the point of view of a coach, it has to be EXTREMELY frustrating to see a player blow a play as simple as a pick and roll (the most basic play in basketball) over and over and over. I saw SF ignore the open man on the pick and roll at least 7 times last night. Four of those times, he held the ball while double teamed for 10 seconds or so after which, the clock was winding down and he had to force something.

This coach was hired to stop putting up with the bullsh!t and start getting the wins. I think that JVG knows better than any of us how to deal with big egos (Sprewell) and selfish players (Houston) much better than you and I. If he is doing something or saying something, he is doing or saying it with a purpose, trying to get this team to play up to its potential. That is what he was hired for and if he thinks that he will get somewhere with his comments in the press, I say let him try.

The hands (and comments) off policy didn't work for the first 4 years of SFs career, what makes you think it will work now?

 

FIVE YEARS.... ZERO Playoff Appearances

 

Hmm, you might be right. However, I would compare it to a school teacher getting a new class. My experience tells me that those teachers who have been hardasses in the beginning and put people in place no matter what have always done better in the end. Those guys who try to come in being all respectful and nice can later not tighten the screws, when it becomes evident that it will be necessary.

So I would rather have an overly confrontational beginning and then see people approaching each other to work something out than someone coming in with his gloves on and then at some point having to realize that he already missed his chance to mark his territory.

Damn, I am starting to sound like Blinebury .

 

ok guys i dont wanna sound too harsh, but after reading repeated interviews of steve, i have come to an conclusion. He will never become a great player. Think of all the great players, mj, bird, magic, west, etc, what do they have in common besides theyr talent in bball...they are professional, they are gentlemen, they are leaders. Can you imagin any of them saying to their new coach, " this is they way iv ALWAYS played!" Steve is a punk, nothing more. I do not want to bash and this is not bashing, i am just fed up and telling what i think. Steve has all the bball talent that all those greats have, but he is a punk. he is too stuck up on his iso record labels, and shoe endoesments, and clothing lines, and AND1 moves and street cred for his 1on1 play. He does not have the heart of those greats, he does not have the heart of a winner, he has a heart of a whiner and a punk. He will never become a leader if this does not change, and this is changing someones entire personality so i dont think its gonna happen. so one of 2 things have to happen, ONE..he needs to except a smaller role and just contribute what he can, because he CANNOT lead OR #2 TRADE HIS ASS

i apologize if this seems liek bashing and i love the rockets but i am sick and tired of steves excuses and whining and being a little punk, i question his integrety, his heart, his professionalism, i may be wrong on those points but what i do KNOW is I DEFINITELY QUESTION HIS BRAINS

 

hmmm...after reading my own post..so much for not sounding harsh..

 

I agree with you here. Rudy was a nice guy the whole time he was coaching and we saw where it got him. JVG was hired to come in, crack the whip, and get some discipline instilled in these guys. I like what he is doing along those lines and I truly hope that SF takes the criticism and improves his game because he has the talent to be a great player and lead this team. In order to truly lead the team, though, he MUST follow JVG.

 

On the pick and role aspect, he did miss it a few times. A couple of times the guy didn't roll.

I don't know that the guy was hired to quit putting up with the bs. Of course he was hired to get wins. His act wore thin in NYC too. He burnt himself out doing that crap.

Rudy's system didn't work the first four years not the comments kept in private philosophy.

 

Ya know, it's funny how bad a quote can look when it is taken out of context.

Everyone is crucifying him for the "playing the same way for 5 years" quote..but read it as I have bolded it.

What he appears to be saying is that he plays hard, just like he has for the last 5 years.....it doesnt sound as bad that way.

But then he follows it up with the stupid statement about " I though I moved the ball great"

uh...from what I saw, he moved the ball less last night than he did at the end of last season...whats up with that?

anyway, my point is...he isnt out-and-out saying that he wants to play the same one-on-one way as before...he is talking about the level of play...and i do know one fact from watching him and Cat for the last few years...they do play hard..no doubt there.

anyway..back to the bashing...dont let common sense stand in yall's way.

 

O CRAP! if he was talking about playing hard fot the past five years i take all that back! damn media distorting quotes

 

sorry for the multiple posts

Pick and roll....that was a big problem I saw last night...

Weak picks, the picker would start rolling before the pick had been effective...anyone else notice this?

They would set the pick, and before the opponent had een been picked, the roller would move...therefore diminishing the effectiveness of the PnR...

and then add on to the fact that alot of the times, the roller was ignored even tho they were open...and you see what we saw last night.

argh...they have to get the PnRs down...and utilize the roller correctly or we aint going anywhere...