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"There are little pockets of resistance." JVG Comments

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by MadMonk, Oct 13, 2003.

  1. Pistol Pete

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    I must have missed this..give me some examples of plays you saw or stats that support your perception. I just see a below average player when I see Wilks. I don't see the tremendous hustle either. Now if we are talking Scales that's a whole different ballgame.
     
  2. Thanos

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    Hey rookie. Give us a break, willya.

    There's 30 posts on page 2 , and a freakin THIRD of them are yours, and whats worse, basically posting the same thing over and over.

    If you feel like arguing, you might want to access a chat somewhere.

    take care and peace, Ill-skillz.

    nuff said.
     
  3. jo mama

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    the way i see it JVG is being very diplomatic w/ francis. even when being critical (which he should be), he is pointing out positives as well. he implies effort w/ talking about going for a home run and he refrences "franchises" athletic ability in shaking a guy off and going into defenders. JVG always tries to keep his stars on the same page as him and i think he is making that same effort with "franchise."

    he doesnt single out a guy from criticism, but rather the whole team.

    kelvin is the lone bright spot??? im looking for flying pigs now. maybe JVG is just trying to increase his trade value, but right now i see kelvin as valuable to the team as he has ever been.
     
  4. Pistol Pete

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    Rudy was great at the communication aspect of the game. His player evaluation skills were suspect (He was always thinking he had found a diamond in the rough) and he had trouble developing an offense after Hakeem faded and eventually left.
     
  5. Mr. Clutch

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    The Stevie haters were right!!

    I was willing to give him a chance in light of JVG's comments that a true PG is not needed, and Steve's apparent willigness to go along. Boy, it sure did not take long for Steve to take that optimism and flush it down the toilet. Another from JVG "Blown assignment after blown assignment."

    He also mentioned how Steve tries to take everybody one-on-one and is so good it somtimes works. One problem- Steve is no Iverson or Kobe. He's a 22 point scorer at BEST. Focusing our offense around him would be a disaster- see end of last year.

    So, how long before he gets moved? This is unacceptable when we have one of the most talented young big men in the league.
     
  6. Pistol Pete

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    What's up with the rookie thing? Thanos, are you the post police? I'm responding to comments made to me. With all due respect, mind your own business, it's called debating.
     
  7. Yetti

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    #67 Yetti, Oct 13, 2003
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  8. Pistol Pete

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    JO,

    I was puzzled by the Kelvin thing to. I was sitting right behind the basket on Charlotte's end of the court last night. Kelvin wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary. I think Van Gundy may be talking about his receptive attitude. To Kelvin's credit, I think he was great last year stepping out of the way for Yao and contributing even more than he had before despite playing a more limited role on the team.
     
  9. Rockets2K

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    I have no ties to any major university. I am a tech/cc grad. The one where SF played when he was first starting)

    Wilks wont cost us what a vet off the waiver would.
    He is a minimum contract, high energy youngster...

    Why not use him? He has been working with VG and learning what we are running...why bring in someone else that isnt as familiar with the Rox as Wilks is?

    no preference, it is just so nice to see a backup point doing it right after the last 2 years of Mooch-arama.
     
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    Minding own business is not = debating...
     
  11. Pistol Pete

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    Jackie....

    I was referring to his comments about my posts. I was debating with others including yourself. The man has no right to tell me how I should craft my posts. Like I said, I was simply debating. The subject here is the Rockets, not what he thinks I should post about the Rockets.
     
  12. Yetti

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    I like it!!! It goes so well with 'Dribble Mania'
     
  13. Pistol Pete

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    Good post. I just think Moochie is going to be worthless to us this year and we are gonna need a strong back up if Franchise is gonna be feuding with JVG all year. Wilks is a third string guy at best.
     
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    Yetti, you and I and others have been saying these things for years. It has been so frustrating. We have been labeled, chided, made fun of, and pretty much "blown off" as not "true fans." JVG is a student of the game. In my view, he is a basketball "purist." I knew it wouldn't take him long to figure out the problems on this team. They are really soooo obvious. If Francis doesn't demand a trade before the deadline, I believe that JVG COULD make significant progress with the current group.
     
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    This is a great analysis. While I do not hate Steve, I do share that he needs to realize his habit in the past five years did help Houston to get a lottery. Not only he cannot score enough on the offensive end with his plays; but that also hurt his defensive assignment as he wasted too much energy and went too deep. Steve does ton of talents. If he changes his attitude, he surely is a valuable asset. If not, trade should be around the corner.

    :( :( :(
     
  16. acrophobia98

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    I think VG wants to mention something (small) positive before criticising Cato being out of shape.

    :D :D :D
     
  17. Rockets2K

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    two things..

    1) If (and thats a big IF) SF is soo hardheaded that he cant or wont change...he wont make it past the trading deadline. It looks like VG will not put up with him for an entire season if he refuses to follow orders....

    Disclaimer: I for one would really hate to see that happen, SF is very talented and I for one feel he would be a great asset to our team.

    2) Wilks is only in his second year in the league, only 2 years out of college, it is far too early to tell if he could be a good player under the right coach. So far his numbers havent been encouraging, but I think he has the physical gifts to be a servicable NBA backup point.

    but then again, so does Moochie....he just cant seem to do the job yet. I say yet because he has at one point in his career shown that he can play decently...for some reason, he just chooses not to.


    and as a follow up to your headbutting with other posters..

    Thanos and SJC are two fairly well-respected posters with good track records here...and neither one of them has been that harsh to ya...all they are doing is giving you a little nudge to let ya know about some of the unspoken guidelines that alot here used to abide by that made this one of the best BBS in the world..
    The standards have slipped alittle with all the new members we have had, but showing a little restraint would go a long way towards making your stay here smoother and more productive.

    no offense meant, but yes...a lot of the older members feel they need to police posts...it goes with the territory.
    When you feel that you are a member of a community, you hate to see people come in and toss litter around. ;)
     
  18. sncns

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    I'd like to post this comment by Steve again, because to me it speaks volumes about Steve's attitude and lack of maturity:

    "I've been playing the same way for five years," Francis said. "The part of me going one-on-one when the shot clock is going down, that's what I got to do. I'm not going to throw the ball to a seven-foot guy on the 3-point line if I can do something at the end of the shot clock. If that's what it is, that's what it is. It's not going to be against the coach. We're together."

    Yep, and for 5 years you've sucked Steve. Not as a talented basketball player, but you've been stinking it up as a NBA player. Big difference. The NBA is not a plyaground. You have to play D, you have to play as a team. Jeez.
     
  19. Pistol Pete

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    Thanks for the explanation on the nudging aspect. I'm a frequent BBS poster mostly Baseball. I hardly did anything to warrant any nudging though. I'm gonna post as I see fit, if that ruffles some, so be it. The "rookie" comments are a little demeaning and unnecessary.
     
  20. GladiatoRowdy

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    As I mentioned, he doesn't seem to care about his stat line, just doing things the way JVG wantes them done. He gets the ball across the time line quickly, runs the pick or double pick and gives the ball up to the big man. Last night, that didn't translate to assists, but at least 4 of his passes last night were to EG, who bricked them (this is not meant to be an EG slam, just an observation).

    I am not saying that Wilks is the be-all end-all PG for the Rox, but he does have a solid game and is effective in JVGs system.

    As far as calling guys out in the press, I would be willing to bet that SF and JVG have had these conversations in private and it hasn't worked. I think it is perfectly acceptable for a coach to call his guys out publicly to try to light a fire under them. As it stands, if SF continues ignoring the open man on the pick and roll, it is going to be a long season (until he is traded). SF needs to check his ego at the door and play within the system or he will find himself in another new set of new threads.
     

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