[TheDreamShake] Some Defensive Numbers for Rockets Players

I don't know. It seems that our defensive rotation was always great under JVG. That's his hallmark as a defensive coach.

I remember during training camp, Adelman was saying that they were spending the bulk of time practicing defense. So I think it is not the case that Adelman neglects this part of the game. What it is probably is that Adelman is willing to play players who is not great on rotation because of those players' offensive contribution.

 

If Jordan is 11th in one-on-one defense, where does Gortat rank?

 

I understand the argument, but it still looks to me like something that can be improved a lot with practice and repetition (like everything, of course). Martin is clearly a cerebral player with an offensive mindset, who reportedly played better defense in Sacramento as a youngster. He can get up to speed making his defensive rotations, IMO, as up to speed as he ever will. With that slight frame, he'll always be better on the other end, but that doesn't mean he can't be a decent defender. Heck, he's already better today than he was earlier. Sure, going from god-awful to mediocre may not seem like a lot, but it's a step in the right direction. According to the stats in the OP, he's not as awful as I thought he was. Adelman has had some very good defensive teams in the past, which make me think he can do the same with this team, even without the Great Wall in the middle. Is JVG a better defensive coach? I think so, but IMO, you need a balance between offense and defense, and I think Adelman gives us that. Van Gundy didn't. AB has a much more difficult path. While Martin has an equally slight frame, at least he's 6'7".

As long as Ademan coaches here, his defense will be compared to Van Gundy's. When all aspects of coaching are involved, I think Adelman is clearly the better coach. The record speaks for itself. Considering the injuries we've had to deal with both before the beginning of the season, and early, I'm not surprised that we've struggled to improve at that end. Players like Martin and Brooks are naturally going to get up to speed quicker on offense.

 

Interesting reading.

I always find it hard to guage individual ratings in a team sport, but nonetheless it is interesting, particularly defensive ratings.

I mean how do you quantify a defensive players rating when they make a switch on defense, say for instance Kmart is guarding Ray Allen...but the Celtics run the PnR with him all the time and KMart switches to Rondo, who passes it to Allen for the 3 ball.

Does Kmart's defensive rating get nicked because his man is the one scoring the ball? Even though he might have done exactly what he was supposed to do on the rotation.

I just feel the input required to get an accurate rating would be immense, and that you would have to have so much data entry based upon the "Eyeball" test, to get even remotely accurate results.

Right now, it seems that stats are using existing data, and generating different variables using a formula that somehow is supposed to account for the scenario I outlined above or at least try to account for it.

And for me personally, I think they are interesting, but just not all that relevent in study.

Give me a guy who understands the game and can watch what is going on ....on the court, over a person who pours over tons of numbers any day of the week.

I am not saying there isn't value there....there clearly is....I just personally, do not put much value into it.

DD

 

Deck, I totally agree with you. I was not arguing that Adelman was a bad defensive coach. My point was, Adelman is willing to sacrifice some defense (in terms of using players who are not great on defense either as 1-on-1 defenders or team defenders) for the sake of offense. Whereas, JVG was never willing to sacrifice defense.

Interestingly, Adelman plays Hayes more minutes than Miller when Miller is a far better offensive player. So it's a myth that Adelman doesn't care about defense.

 

five stars

very interesting stats about Kevin. I was shoked a bit about his D through screens rankings and his own percentage of threes in isolation or after using screens

 

Just imagine: he's shooting 44% from downtown but just 27% and 29% in iso or off the screen situation. Just imagine, if this number could be around 35%. wow

 

Of course, because he is not great on the dribble, or off the bounce, you can see that.....when he is set and receiving a pass, he is much more accurate...

I think most players would be that way.....TBH.

DD

 

well, it's about his shooting mechanics also. It's much much easier to defend on him, when he's trying to shoot after using a screen cause his release is awkward and he's trying to pool the ball out of his pocket. The raised hand by the opponent means to him much more than for Ray Allen, for example, IMHO

 

And I really like it. He's not trying to force something that he can't do. That's why he is much more effective for us than Ron or Ariza were at SG. He's just trying to do what he can do best and we have a result: 23.4 PPG in less then 32 minutes with 45% from the field and 44% from downtown with just a couple turnover. Most part of them are travelling violations and misscommunications, so it's pretty fair number

 

I do too, his efficiency at scoring the ball is amazing, I have liked him for years and love the way he plays offense...defense, not so much but I have noticed he is trying harder it seems, even rebounding some.

Has anyone else noticed though, that Kmart travels all the time and gets away with it? I mean the guy takes steps coming into his jumper all the danged time....and the refs rarely call it.....amazing.

DD

 

Travelling is just a part of his game :grin:

 

thanks for the read

 

well he gets like two ravling calls per game

 

I wonder where Kmart's underated defensive stats are now...lol....Wade killed him.

DD

 

I wonder If Lowry and Martin still can't shoot against good defenses.

 

Wrong thread, go chase that up in another thread.

DD

 

I'm a little confused. Are you saying Miami ISN'T a good defense?