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The zone, 3 point line, and Shaq rules: 3 factors destroying American Basketball

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by jopatmc, Aug 16, 2004.

  1. Drexlerfan22

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    You wouldn't happen to have heard any of the testimonials of opposing players who were practically falling over themselves laughing at how much and how badly they fouled Wilt with no calls from the refs, because they were trying to "equalize the game?" I believe it was all-star Wayne Embry who said he "regularly gave Wilt a karate-chop to the stomach while he was shooting," and the refs would never call it.

    Star treatment. Oooooookay.
     
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    Man, as I've said before, this complaining is just way too much. This USA team is made up only of 4 all stars (with Marbury and Marion only getting there once and Marbury was a add on cuz of injuries). The rest of the squad is made up of 8 players that were part of the rookie and sophmore games last year. This is a not a talented team. This isn't plan C, or D, or E, it's plan F, and they are still good enough to be in the semis.
     
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    There is some truth to what he's saying. SOME. Look at the all-star and rookie games now days. During the "good ol days", they played the games to win and they played hard. Now it's a joke. Nobody plays defense or gives a crap about assists. The most important thing is to have the most highlights on espn. I clearly saw all this during last season's rookie game when Carmelo Anthony gave an alley-oop to a player on the opposing team or something like that.
     
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    "street ball" is a term that's being thrown around way too much when it comes to today's NBA. While today's players are not as fundamentally sound as prior years, to compare them to street ball players is wrong. Street ball players have a bunch of guys that are very talented, but most could never make it in the NBA.
     
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    ^^^It sures is...I thought streetball was playground basketball? You know the type of basketball I always play when I go to the park and I'll be damned if someone I'm guarding is going to pick the ball up and walk three steps without me calling something.
     
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    I haven't seen a Heypartner post for, well, forever! Have I just been on other threads, or have you been on an extended vacation? Welcome back! Funny stuff.
     
  7. jopatmc

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    Recent quote from George Karl concerning NBA Basketball and our olympic team.

    "......The international game is a prettier game to watch now than the NBA game. And it might be a better game than the slugfests you see in the playoffs. And the next time we go up against the world, we better have guys ready to play it. 'Cause it's not 1992 anymore."


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    Just more evidence of the Shaq rules. When Tim Duncan is in foul trouble throughout the Olympic games, that should tell us something. Too much physical play in the NBA is not called. The players are used to it. When they have to play games where the fouls are called, even our best, smartest, most basketball savvy big man gets in foul trouble. Shaq rules once again.

    I agree with Karl, the International game is a prettier game to watch and much more entertaining. It is basketball the way basketball is meant to be played.

    For you that are saying that the zone is in the international game. My point was that the combination of the zone, the 3 point line, and Shaq rules has lead us to this current style of NBA basketball, not one of them individually, with the biggests factor being Shaq rules. When the 3 point line that came into the league, that was all right, but it did put emphasis on long range bombing and did decrease emphasis on the mid range game. But it was still acceptable by itself. But then you combine that with Shaq rules and all of a sudden, the inside game becomes a futbol game and the 3 point shot becomes more important along with the ability to run and gun. Now you throw in the zone defenses and you aren't calling the fouls in the post and out on the floor. That combination has vaporized the mid range game, the passing game, and team basketball, in favor of landing one or two "super super stars" who get the calls or a bunch of guys that wreak defensive havoc all over the floor, play ugly basketball and lead us down the road to 30% shooting and 65-58 scores. Hence, the importance of players like Artest and Bowen. Those players are nice players but in the international game, they would be average to below average at best. No midrange game and a foul waiting to happen. The NBA is ugly basketball, and has become ugly basketball since Shaq came into the league along with the idiotic allowance of the zone defense to go with the Shaq rules. It is destroying the game of basketball.

    Solution:

    1. move the 3 point line back a foot or so to drop the percentages on that shot and really make it worth something. This will also create more spacing for the offense and will make the midrange game more valuable.

    2. Call the fouls that are fouls, no Shaq rules, if he knocks the defender over, call the offensive foul, don't allow the defense to hack. Clean up the play.

    3. Either eliminate the zone or institute some zone limitations that don't allow all 5 guys to sink into the paint and muddle up the interior play. I'm not necessarily in favor of eliminating the zone alltogether. But I do think there needs to be more definable criteria, maybe more enforced criteria, such as the 3 seconds defensive actually being called. If you are guarding a man, no 3 seconds, but if you aren't within bent elbow length of the offensive player, the 3 seconds start counting. Something like that.
     

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