"The world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against terrorism"

I am one of Senator Graham's biggest fans, he's a fine man. I hope he would consider running for the presidency in 2008, I think he's one of a handful of moderate leaders voters can get behind...

 

Sishir, and tiger, we have a divided government. We have a government divided from the Constitution of the United States, and it's citizens, from the welfare of it's citizens, and the welfare of Corporate America, from the welfare of our allies around the world, and the allies of the President, from the welfare of those that are the worst off of our citizens, and those who are the wealthiest of our country, from the volunteers who make up our military, and any sense of decency regarding how they are used, how they are paid, how they are treated in veterans hospitals, how their families are able to care for themselves... and how we can use them in conflicts across the globe, described as a war in the most dire terms this Administration and Republican Congress can use, and yet fought while cutting taxes, without raising taxes to pay for those conflicts, for the first time in our history as a nation, and the tax cuts being for the benefit of those most wealthy in our country, not for the vast majority.

How anyone can go about their business everyday, enjoying the largess given to the wealthy and corporate America by this government, in the middle of this "war," while our military does without all it needs... and that is exactly what is happening... is something that really bothers me. How people can defend Bush, when he retains his fool of a Secretary of War, Donald Rumsfeld, while our commanders in Anwar Province, in Iraq, are screaming for more troops, the commanders in Baghdad are screaming for more troops, the commanders in southern Afghanistan and Kabul are screaming for more troops... how they can continue to defend this pitiful little man so over his head that one could cry just mystifies me. If I live to be 100, I'll never understand how otherwise intelligent people can continue to do that.

We have divided government, and it is obscene what they are doing to our nation and the world, because it is a government divided against it's own people, except for a few Republicans who are finally showing remarkable courage taking a stand against Bush and the GOP leadership. Against torture. And something else is remarkable. It's remarkable that those Republicans took so long to stand up and say, "Enough!" Better late than never.

Just don't talk to me about drinking any bloody Kool-Aid. The American people guzzled enough when they elected these fools. I didn't. I didn't vote for them. This mess may have been difficult to watch unfold these last years, but at least, unlike some of you, I don't have voting for them on my conscious. Maybe that's a cheap shot. If so, I apologize. Bush and his crew fooled a lot of intelligent Americans. Let's not get fooled again.



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The problem is you fail to see or understand the rationale behind voting for W for a second term, you really don't get it at all, you don't understand why it was important to not 'bail out' the Neocons by giving them an 'exit strategy'. If you think I 'bought into' whatever the Neocons were selling me, then you're seriously delusional.

 

So by not "bailing out" the neocons voters like you denied everyone of us an "exit strategy"? It's not like only the neocons are in trouble, we all are!

 

Leaving aside your rant my point is that neither party can really be trusted to do a great job when they control all aspects of elected government and while I agree with a lot of your criticisms of the current Republican dominated government I'm not going to trust the Democrats dominating all three branches of elected government. Our government was meant to be divided and have checks and balances when all three branches operates in lockstep you get the kind of mess we have now. Our government is about compromise and when the different branches and parties can compromise that has typically been the best for this country.

 

THIS COUNTRY NEVER HAD MORALITY....and neither does any other country in the world.

 

I try to be fair but personally I don't trust senator Graham. I find his folksyness grating and think its an act. I also think he is something of a political oppurtunist whose put on an act of moderation to present himself as a Southern version of McCain.

 

Ding! Ding! We have a winner. I don't trust this guy as far as I could throw him... and I could throw him a decent distance.

Also, notice how often he refers to himself... "Look at me, I'm Senator Graham. I have no personal ambition. I just want what's best for the country."

For those of you not hip to the GOP projections and other wierd psycho stuff they've been going through, he means the exact opposite of what he said. He'll side with Bush before it's over.

 

Precisely.. I thought McCain might be the one trustworty/principled member of the Senate and he turned out to be garbage like the rest of them. Graham doesn't have a real gigantic history of moderation and has voted with the administration pretty consistently, and has recently starting putting up the moderation/maverick charade.

The decline of a strong corps of Moderate Democrats and Republicans has been one of the biggest blows to Congress and its impact has yet to be truly realized. Both parties are guilty of targeting and slandering moderates in recent elections and basically wiped out a valuable part of the Senate for short-term political gains. What few that we have left aren't even really moderates but are just opportunists that have played the game like everyone else.

 

To be fair the RNC and Rhode Island Republicans stood behind Lincoln Chafee.

 

War on Terrorism? Or the War in Iraq?

If it’s the War in Iraq we are there for the wrong reasons damn it... F@#$#@ soldiers have died with the inclination that there was


Weapons of Mass Destructions


Do you not remember the reports as to why we went to Iraq? All the damn meetings with UN .. World Council... Photos of WMD transit.. Tapped phones of conversations of WMD etc etc etc....

It was all a hoax.....

I'm not saying Saddam should not Burn in Hell.. I think he should... I'm just saying that we went there with false impressions and now countless of innocent people have died on both sides...

 

I assume that is some sort of joke. Having discovered this past week that the reason I've been having a hard time seeing anything visually is that I have developed cataracts, please spell it out in block letters, if you would be so kind, because that surely is the reason I don't get the humor.

I'm so glad you think it was a rant! Thank you very much. Considering the fact that the GOP controls all branches of government, and has been busy doing those things you describe as a rant, at least a rant in the way I describe them (see, I'm so trying to be fair!), then explain in better detail, if you don't mind, how voting for Democrats in November, to prevent what I certainly went to rhetorical lengths to describe in my rant, is going to hand the government from the GOP to the (gasp!) Democrats, which you apparently think would be a disaster. Since I clearly am lacking in understanding as to how Democratic control of Congress, while Bush is President, is going to produce rule by one party, which is what we are enjoying now, your explanation would educate me a great deal. I have no doubt about it. Please don't bother to look for my numerous posts regarding the real Republicans of the past, and their demise. Republicans like Dirksen and Rockefeller. Republicans like Goldwater, who today wouldn't recognize his own party, and even Nixon, who may have been delusional and paranoid, but at least possessed intelligence, however much he misused it, and wouldn't fit into today's GOP, either, being too far to the left for consideration by those currently in power, like the others I mentioned. Hell, even Reagan wouldn't recognize Bush's form of governance.


Thanks in advance, guys, and excuse my attitude, as I've had a splitting headache for several days now. After wearing contact lenses for 41 years, I'm currently reduced to wearing coke bottles as eye glasses, so my corneas can find their "true shape," before I can get surgery. This apparently, in a case like mine, takes several weeks, so if I'm irritating now, give me time... I'm sure I'll manage to be more irritating in future, especially when it comes to this particular subject.

Oh, and I wanted to add that there have been few members here as critical of my own party as myself, unlike the real Kool-Aid drinkers who worship at the altar of George here, ad nauseam. And if any of you think I might be a tad defensive of the Democratic Party, as erroneous as I think that is, we lost a great Democrat a few days back. She's not in the ground, yet, but I'm sure Ann Richards would have had a much better response to the both of you. On her worst day she would have had a far better response. It's a pity she ran the one poor campaign of her life in '94, as a win by her would have literally changed the course of history. Just a damn shame. Damn those Democrats for just being like the other guys. Sure... tell that to Ann. I would have paid very good money to have been in the room when she told you what she thought of that.


Keep D&D Civil.

 

Hope you don't mind, I'm praying your headache gets better.

 

Nope, don't mind at all. Certainly, any success would benefit D&D, rhester!



Keep D&D Civil and Headache Free.

 

Crikey!

I said I agreed with most of what you said. Just because I called it a "rant" doesn't mean that you're wrong.

No offense Deckard but you might want to take a break from posting while suffering debilitating headaches, or order a replicant to fill in for you.

 

I'm really sorry. I tried to get Holden to come out of the hospital to sit in, but they're still growing body parts for him, and he's confined to his bed. I'll try to restrain myself, in the meantime. This may last for a while.



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On a serious note, hope you feel better, sorry to hear that...

 

I would agree but I'm holding out for the replicant.

Seriously hope you feel better Deckard.

 

Could Deckard actually be......Steve Austin?????


Get better Deck !

DD