If they can just solve this shoplifting problem Wal-Mart can make something of itself! Here's what I'm "anal" about: people dying for no good reason.
Cuz, that was awesome! I guess Trader_Jorge would have no problem if someone pinned his arms behind his back so he couldn't breath and subsequently died while pleading for help. Good to know.
When I worked in the warehouse for Walmart, another Walmart right by my house shut down and left. I thought this was odd since we lived in a lower middle income neighborhood where people would love lower prices and that Walmart always seemed packed. We never could figure out why it shut down. Then I found out that the Walmart where I was working was about to shut down. I couldn't figure that out as that place was always busy as hell, too. Then someone said it was because of the amount of money being lost due to shoplifting. I could never confirm it, but that just seems like a ton of shoplifting to be shutting down a store that size... it never made sense to me.
It's an inside joke between me and him stemming from when your brother mistakenly thought we were related.
Ok, maybe I got a little too sarcastic there and I didnt mean to offend you. But the same thing with your story, would you put those doctors and nurses in prison? This is why they have mal-practice insurance, and yes there will be an investigation to see if the doctor was "negligent" in which case his license to practice will be revoked. But he will not be sent to prison. My opinion is that the same thing should happen in this situation. Give the family some cash, fire the security guards, and better your training for future security guards. But no way someone should be going to prison.
No offense to Jeff or his friends, but I got no LOVE for criminals who put theirselves in positions like that or family members trying to make a buck off of it. Ill hold reservations against the family members if they seek ONLY criminal prosecution or if they go after walmart for some $$$ But lets clear some things up. -Waiting for police...doenst work. -Getting plates....doesnt work. -You can not try to apprehend waiting till the perps actually leave the store. If they have any KIND of intelligence they will just say they hadnt left the store yet so how could they be stealing. EVEN if they conceal it, they havent left the store, they will claim or SUE claiming that they intended to pay for it. I run a 3 million dollar store, and have to every day, several times a day, deal with shoplifters. Even when you catch them, they just run out. We have a policy stating Dont chase, but most shoplifters KNOW THIS. So they run knowing "what can they do about it". Now how am I supposed to hit a shrinkage mark with this. -Dont go out of the store and chase -Only apprehend if they leave the store ??????? Its lawsuits like the one that probably will be brought up by this mans family that causes this. Does anyone care that shoplifters can cause me to lose my job? That my kids might suffer because criminals know the system and use it to their advantage? Ive seen one of our stores a few miles away get shut down due to shoplifting. Those families were ass out, wheres the outcry there? Ive had shoplifters get caught and point a loaded gun in the face of two of my female employee's claiming they were about to die as he cocked the weapon. If this guy were subdued forcibly and lost his life in the struggle, is it ok then? As for this guy particularly. If he shoplifted he deserved to be apprehended. If he fought then he deserved to be detained forcibly, the ends do not justify the means, but I HIGHLY doubt even if the security guards were detaining him on the ground face on the asphalt that they wanted, or thought they were killing the man. Are they negligable? Probably, but it was brought on by this mans justification of 1. Stealing 2. Running 3. Struggling with the officers.
One thing Loss Prevention always stress to reduce theft and shrinkage is constant customer service to the point of annoying the suspect and letting him know he's being watched. I've been treated this way before and I hate it but it works. You're not accusing anyone but letting them know you're around. Now with the guy putting stickers on unpaid items, he could have been stopped inside because once he puts those stickers on those unpaid items he is showing intent to deprive the store of items without compensation.
Once again, re-read. I never said they should go to prison, only that it could not be said that the alleged victim brought his death upon himself because he shoplifted. So again, simply because he committed a crime does not mean you can simply overlook his death as "justified" or "his fault".
This is ridiculous. 1. The family should sue for $$$. A family member was needlessly killed. They are entitled to make those responsible pay. The money can't bring back the loved one, but they deserve whatever compensation they can get. 2. Waiting for Police, does work if the person is already in cuffs and can't do anything. Neither Stealing, nor running, nor struggling when a person is suffocating has death as a just reward. If someone steals then there is a just punishment for that. If someone steals and tries to get away with it by running then there is a just punishment for that too. The just punishment for those things either seperately or together is not death by suffocation. Whether or not that man did something wrong in the first place is another argument. What he did wrong does not justify causing him to suffocate.
They earned millions of dollars in a law suit how? Was this guy stealing merch from Walmart going to earn that. Are you seriously going to argue lost potential wage? The guy DIED as a result of a series of bad decisions on HIS part. As tragic as it is that he died, HE PUT HIMSELF in that situation. Well if hes in cuffs then they didnt exactly WAIT for the police now did they? Neither Stealing, nor running, nor struggling when a person is suffocating has death as a just reward. No one is saying that it was a just punishment. Just that HE put HIMSELF in that situation by stealing, then running, then fighting. Quite making excuses for the person in the wrong. Im not saying the security guards were right, only that I guarantee they were not trying to kill the man. The just punishment for those things either seperately or together is not death by suffocation. Whether or not that man did something wrong in the first place is another argument. What he did wrong does not justify causing him to suffocate.[/QUOTE] So if I steal a car and in the ensuing struggle with the police I fall off a cliff I would assume people would figure, "Well it is his own fault for putting himself in that situation
Wrong. Hes was killed by Wal-Mart employees. If you steal from Wal-Mart, they can't kill you...bottom line. Whether they were trying to kill him or not, doesn't matter. This guy wasn't in a struggle with police. He was assaulted by employees of the store. A more accurate comparison would be: If you steal a car, and the owner of the car dealership tracks you down and chokes you until you die.
These Wal-Mart cops went overboard and by having him face down with his arms cuffed from behind, they contributed to his death, but less so than he did himself attempting to steal, run from and scuffle with security. All the more left-wingers seem to revel in any chance to jump on, or sue a large corporation and I wonder why. Corporations are owned by the people as shareholders, and their focus on efficient commerce grows peoples retirements and creates labor opportunities and the competition creates more choices and lower prices. Yet when business gets too "big" then it seems you guys throw an evil sign on it and take any chance to jump on the company. Its as if you all see these companies as endless moneybags, when in reality every lawsuit, or additional compliance measure or regulatory change ultimately lessons people retirement money by lowering stock values, increases the costs of their products which is passed on to consumers and can't hire as many people.
so scuffling with security makes it okay for security to kill you? Wow... I work for a best-in-class retailer, although at the corporate level not at the store level. Our policy is to not chase any shoplifters once they leave the store. I understand that shoplifting hurts the bottom line, and costs the consumer. That, however, does not justify using excessive force to the point where lives are lost. Clearly, once a man is subdued, he must not be held face down, with arms cuffed behind his back. How does a man shoplifting contribute to security personel refusing to call an ambulance until 8 minutes after a man has gone into cardiac and respiratory arrest? Your attempt to diagnose my political stance based on my feelings in this situation is laughable.
