major/vegan, i'm stupefied, i would've thought that it was possible to argue that bush was/is a liar, the war was fought on false pretenses, etc., etc., but that noone but the most diehard saddam apologists could actually say that the US/World/Iraq is worse off now than last spring. simply astounding... The problem you have is that "better" and "worse" are very subjective terms. Are you talking better in terms of safety for us? Safety for Iraqi's? Better for the future prospects for us? For the Iraqi's? Better in terms of freedom for the Iraqi's? There are a lot of different ways to look at "better", and for many of those, we simply don't know the answers. If terrorists do make Iraq a breeding ground, if they do dig up chemical/bio weapons, and if they then spread them all over Israel or the US and kill 20,000 people, was the world better off by us invading Iraq? The point is that we simply don't know the long-term results yet. A part of that is because our post-war plan is basically a big mess(the administration has even indirectly admitted this in moving control away from Rumsfeld).
Absolutely!--this is the difference between those opposing US led wars now and during Vietnam--we don't hate our soldiers and call them baby-killers or want the U.S. to loose...I oppose the war in Iraq but hope we are kicking ass against legitimate terrorist targets. I disagree with the whole "smoke-em-out" line of spin but do agree with what the author said about increasing human intelligence, protected "haven-states" being eliminated, and terrorists usurping the disinfranchised rallying and using that anger for a twisted agenda
There is no answer to that question......but YES!!!!!!!!! Anyone, anyone who responds otherwise is a tacit supporter of: A. rape gangs B. ethnic cleansing C. building WMD to threaten neighbors and gain favor in the ME pecking order D. robbing the people to furnish Saddam and his gargoyles in lavish palaces while the rest of the country starved despite all of the oil wealth. E. Suppression of basic human rights There is nothing wrong with us preemptively invading a state that is all or one or a combination of the following: A. a major threat to our national interests (i.e. all interests are intertwined, to interfere with an economic one such as the oil supply will have a ripple effect to the political side.) B. constructing WMD and are definitely not counted among our allies. They would have a history of threatening the neighboring states and would use WMD if they had the chance. C. A state that harbors terrorists, any terrorists within its borders who are in any way, shape, or form even remotely related to militant islam whackoes who have attacked us in the past or any group that has plans to attack us in the future. Anyone else who says otherwise is a damned fool who either doesn't care about what happens to this country or is so brain-dead to not care. There are no gray areas to this issue. Either you support us rooting out the scumbags throughout the world or you want us to plead with the UN for a "mother-may-I" for months and months while these subhuman savages plot more attacks against our republic. Either get on board or get the hell out of the way.
Tough question. Saddam wasn't a threat to his neighbors. The terrorists that have converged in Iraq since then might be. Kidnapping in Iraq has gone up immensely, terrorism in Iraq is worse, etc. Despite him being a supporter of the Palestinian terrorists, the situation with Israel doesn't seem to be better at all. U.S. relations with it's allies has deteriorated which might mean a lot of things aren't as secure or safe now. On the other hand the people there aren't in danger from the dictatorial, brutal authoritarian practices of Saddam. Had he ever been able to reconstitute WMD programs, etc. the region might have been more in danger, but that's a huge if. I think I'd have to say no, but reserve the right to see more evidence to the contrary and change my mind.
President Bush seems to think that the recent violence and homicide bombings and attacks are a positive sign of progress.. Bush: Iraq insurgents are 'desperate' NBC News and news services President Bush said Monday that U.S. progress in Iraq is making insurgents more "desperate" and spurring attacks such as the bombings at the international Red Cross headquarters and four police stations across Baghdad that killed dozens of people. "THE MORE PROGRESS we make on the ground, the more free the Iraqis become, the more electricity that's available, the more jobs are available, the more kids that are going to school, the more desperate these killers become," Bush told reporters at the White House. He said those who are continuing to engage in violence "can't stand the thought of a free society. They hate freedom. They love terror. They love to try to create fear and chaos." But Bush, sitting next to civilian U.S. Iraqi administrator L. Paul Bremer in the Oval Office, said he remains "even more determined to work with the Iraqi people" to restore peace and civility to the wartorn nation. Said Bremer: "We'll have rough days ... but the overall thrust is in the right direction and the good days outnumber the bad days." Bush called those orchestrating the attacks "cold-blooded killers." Link-MSNBC
Let's see... blindly loyal conservative... check blindly loyal conservative response... check blindly loyal conservative slap at other side... check blindly loyal conservative challenge to patriotism, love of democracy, etc. ... check blind to ironies... check
Tis better to be a patriotic lover of liberty who sees the glass half full than a nattering nabob of negativism who desires in their heart of hearts that America fail and we are humbled before the world, because being a hyperpower just isn't fair, like the Clintons believed. We are winning! We will triumph! To say otherwise is ridiculous and is simply aid and comfort to the enemy.
Blindly following a government is the fastest way to oblivion. The government does what WE say, not the other way around.
Anyone who answered yes is a tacit supporter of A.increased terrorism(Iraq just today suffered a string of car bombings that did not happen prior.) B.Kidnapping of children(Iraq has an epic of kidnappings since the invasion. Some hold the children for ransom, others sell the kids in other countries.) C.Decreased services and fuel for the people. D.Decreased security and safety of citizens.(Citizens in Baghdad no longer are safe after dark. There are too many bandits, and too much chaos. E.Decreased cooperation with Americas allies.
I'm not blindly following the govt, but at least I'm not sitting here b!tching and moaning......Quagmire! Quagmire! every ten goddamned seconds. WWII took YEARS to win! If we had the great group of candy ass people like we have that whine and complain here about how the war is being lost and was a great lie and how we are just destroying the world for no great reason, we would've lost that war. Just like that war, we are in a fight for our very survival. To leave Iraq like a bunch of cowards is ridiculous. That's the only solution you whiners have......bring the troops home now. Ridiculous. Illogical. Irrational. Three words that describe the American defeatist Left, who would love to see us slink away like cowards. Would love to see us humbled before the world so we have to beg the UN for help on broken glass. Jeez, people, I thought 9-11 would give you folks a wakeup call, but I guess you are so hard-headed that your warped and twisted ideology of income redistribution, breaking down our nation's sovereignty and borders, moral equivalency, state worship and hedonism still makes sense despite all that our nation has gone through. Iraq is just a waypoint in a greater war, just as North Africa, while not on the way to the heart of Germany, was part of what defeated the Nazis. We will win this war......despite the LEFT!
This is not a war. Good god, you are staggeringly naive. The thing that makes my head spin is that this entire country is obviously filled with cretins like you. That's terrifying.
i was appalled by the administrations statement after the car bombings yesterday of the red cross where 30+ died and hundreds injured. "They're getting desperate"
What the hell is it, genius? Checkers? Police action? I'm glad the country isn't filled with little bedwetters like you. Another a-hole to add to IGNORE.
<B>Does Bush expect people to swallow this crap! "They love terror"?</B> in the words of bamaslammer: <i>never stop fighting, even if you are dead wrong, lie,repeat, lie, repeat until it is believed by a majority of the population</I>
"Does the president really believe that suicide bombers are willing to strap explosives to their bodies because we're restoring electricity and creating jobs for Iraqis?" said Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., a White House candidate. "Is the president arguing that the better things get in Iraq, the more dangerous it will become for American soldiers?" [...] "I just don't understand the president's logic — that because there is more violence and more deaths, things are going well. In my book, that means things are worse," said Democratic presidential contender Howard Dean. [...] This whole desperation thing will go down along with"bring it on" when the more infamous Dubya quotes of Iraq are remembered.
