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The US is at fault for the iranian air tragedy.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by blazer_ben, Dec 7, 2005.

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  1. Texas Stoke

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    Hey how about this, stop isolating yourself and you won't be behind the evolution of the rest of the world. Your religious rule and law that has you living like caveman is at fault here. Learn to think for yourselves, as Amercians did, have your own revolutions and win as we did, stand for something greater than some dead religious text that keeps your nuts in a vice and minds in a prison of stagnation. Americans have been through what you guys need to go through. We dared to think and invent. We aren't scared children cowering in fear of the wrath of god. Be bold and learn to invent and create and most of all don't blame other countries for your failures.
    But the thing is, most Iranians don't think like you. So stop your whining. When we have plane crashes, It's what did WE do wrong. We get in the f-ing think tank. learn from our mistakes. Be better because of it. Work harder. It's not what did some other country do to create our catastrophes.
     
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  2. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Wait a minute, you are the one complaining about the effects of sanctions on Iran. Don't change the subject. What would you expect the US to do in the event that Iranians take over an American embassy and hold hostages? What is your approriate response to that?

    You're upset we've taken the fairly limited step of imposing sanctions but you haven't offered an alternative to that. I haven't claimed all the whatever ranted things you've just said about peace and love so let's stick to the facts. What is the appropriate reponse to an invasion of an American embassy which is encouraged by Iranian leadership? What is the appropriate response to Iranian involvement in the death of 200 plus Marines in Beirut? If sanctions are so terrible, present an alternative.
     
  3. blazer_ben

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    This new President (clown) was put in power by the supereme leader( khamenie). to a certian degree, it is a Coupe deta of sorts. The Revolutionary guards put him in power by forging thousends or millions of rigged votes. The best hope is probaly someone like rafsanjani and khatami getting together and start a counter party or coupe deta against him. the guy is a fool.
     
  4. blazer_ben

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    You guys are acting like i support the iranian goverment. no, i care for the iranian people who are suffering because of the actions of few. why should 70 million people suffer, because the fu king mullahs are sick b*stard. chruch and state must be seperated at all costs.
     
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    You can hold a grudge all you like, but that was 26 ers ago. most of those people are either dead or old. 70 % of irans population are all under 30. they would'nt even remember the actions of those morons who invaded the american embassy. i will apolegise on behalf of all peace loving iranians. what happen at that time was wrong and there is no excuse for it. i hope khomenie and others like him are rotting in hell. they have made all of us look bad.
     
  6. CometsWin

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    I'm just engaging your question man. The US has every right to place sanctions on Iran. America has the right to defend itself and its people from violence by any reasonable means whether it's political pressure, economic pressure, or military action. If Iran doesn't like it they can declare war and we can get it on or Iranians can pressure their leadership to become more moderate and then relations will get better. That's how the world goes.
     
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    I guess you right. i can see why the us needs these sanctions .it just breakes my heart seeing the innocent suffer because of the dictatorship which is ruining my country of birt. i love america as much as iran. i would give my left arm for the united states. after all, they were kind enough to give us a second chance at life. i will allways appreciate it and be gratefull.
     
  8. Sishir Chang

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    Zionism predates the Holocaust as there were European Jews settling in Palestine since at least WWI. This wasn't a matter of shoving the Jews out of the way but that many Jews actively wanted a Jewish state in Palestine and were already fighting for it.

    On a side note ironically the most religious Jews initially opposed Zionism and the creation of modern Israel. They felt that a Jewish homeland would only be created when the Messiah came and it was almost blasphemous to try and create without the Messiah.
     
  9. Sishir Chang

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    I believe that its up to the Iranian people to rise up in a people power like movement and overthrow the Mullahs. From what I understand of the Iran is that prior to the invasion of Iraq more Iranians had a genuine good feelings in regard to the US and the West than even countries like Egypt and Jordan. The "Death to America" protests were largely just shows put on. After the "Axis of Evil" comment and the invasion of Iraq the Mullahs played up fear of an American invasion and nationalism to rally the people. I believe that if Iran is left alone that eventually its possible that the young population of Iran will tire of mullah rule and overthrow the regime.

    I don't think its a good thing that Iran is developing nukes or supporting Hezbollah but I'm starting to rethink whether sanctions are the right way to go. The younger Iranians hunger for American culture and consumer goods and if we start trading with them it will be difficult for the mullahs to keep out those influences. The more Iranians are exposed to the rest of the World the more they will realize how sterile their own lives are.
     
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    Interestingly enough, isn't the way the Berlin wall and communism fell was from the full force of capitalism and good ole' American popular culture? Why could we not have patients like we did during the cold war and just "know" that eventually the western way of life would win out? Why couldn't we we have just forced economic and cultural change instead of blowing the place up?

    [end rant]
     
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    You're assesment of the current Situation in iran, is amazingly accurate for a non-iranian. are you iranian?
     
  12. mc mark

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    By the way Blazer_ben

    I've loved your posts in this thread and your insight and perspective. Hang around. and don't let these yahoos bring you down.

    But the Blazer bit? I don't know...

    ;)
     
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    Thanks for the support. all i'm asking for is equality. were all human beings. we all should learn to forgive and forget.
     
  14. Sishir Chang

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    No I'm not but I play one on TV. ;)

    I'm a news nerd and know some Iranians. I've actually been to Tehran but that was a long time ago just before the revolution.
     
  15. geeimsobored

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    I generally agree with what has been said but unfortunately in the wake of the nuclear crisis and rising tensions I just cant think of a realistic way to phase out sanctions and maintain the image that we are tough on Iran.
     

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