Defensive win shares, defensive ratings, synergy stats and the eye test. None of them are perfect by themself, but combined they give a more accurate picture.
Proprietary metrics and analytics provided by the Sports Vu system data and the eye test. But they're not going by the eye test only.
I don't care what you think of Lin but if Patrick Beverly is going to be our starting pg of the future the Rockets are going to have problems. Especially with 11 games to go in the season having a change at your starting pg right before the playoffs is silly, especially when the current starter has resulted in a record good enough to be in the playoffs.
[ bQUOTE=Joe Joe;7782318]Beverley gets more steals. More Blocks. Has a better defensive rating. Has more defensive win shares per minute. Opposing PGs have 3 fewer assists per 48 while turnovers the same with Beverley versus Lin. Lin has slight advantage in points per 48 and Fg% against. Beverley comes in the game when opposing PG is eating Lin's lunch. Sources...basketball reference.com, 82games, and watching the games. Lin is the starter because he is a better facilitator and overall player. That doesn't make him the better defender.[/QUOTE] Basketball reference told you that Beverly comes in and shuts down starting pgs because Lin gets torched? If you could link me that, that would be great. Beverly plays most of his mines against subpar players off of the bench, Lin plays nearly 100% against starters ( first 8 of first, last 6-7 of second, first part of third, end of fourth ). ****s not that simple dude. Don't think I said Lin was the defender. Only that he isn't nearly as bad as you, or anyone else is desperate to convince everyone he is. Likewise, Beverly isn't some lockdown savior. Also,Beverly comes in at normal time for their rotations, or to provide a spark. Not because Lin is getting torn apart. Its great that you watch the games, now you just have to figure out just exactly what is going on while those guys are bouncing that orange ball around.
Correct me if I'm wrong, it won't load for me right now, but iirc synergy stats don't have Jeremy as a good defender. Harden has a higher defensive win share than Jeremy. Don't know what you mean by defensive ratings. I don't really see any statistical indication that Lin is a good defender. Maybe slightly above average, but good?
Again, you're wrong. Lin is a liability when he is not creating shots for the team, either by design of the offense or by his own lack if aggression. His turnover rate is fine for the style of play. His scoring is also fine, averaging 13 with a respectable shooting percentage while playing a small role in the offense ( especially compared to other pgs, a fact you can't seem to wrap your head around ) and being used as an spot up shooter for big chunks of games. He is a solid, average to above average defender. Beverley is also a solid defender, and is a hugh energy player. Your posts man...... I get it, you like Beverley. I do too, he is a serviceable backup. But clutchfans constantly does this. Ish smith. Scott ****ing Machado. Toney Douglas. And that just in the last couple of years.
Cant look at as I'm on my phone, but hardens numbers are impacted by the fact that he is usually guarding the opposing teams weakest link. He still gets burned by them. Lin is a pretty solid defender. Where he gets burned is by helping off of his man at the arc. I honestly don't know if this is by design though, because it seems like every perimeter defender does this pretty ****ing often ( Lin, harden, chandler being the most prevalent, probably because they start ). Either that, or the coaches just haven't fixed it yet, which is just as distressing. I do know that lins Drtg is 106/Dws is 2.0 beverley's is 104, and harden's is 106 against generally the weakest option. Lin and Beverley fight through a ton of pnr, just like any pgs. Mike conley's ( a very good defender on a good defensive team ) is 100, Dws is 4.0
You are an idiot. Seriously. Do you watch the games? You make it sound like Lin is a defensive liability when he's actually one of the better defenders on this no-defense team.
Basketball reference told you that Beverly comes in and shuts down starting pgs because Lin gets torched? If you could link me that, that would be great. Beverly plays most of his mines against subpar players off of the bench, Lin plays nearly 100% against starters ( first 8 of first, last 6-7 of second, first part of third, end of fourth ). ****s not that simple dude. Don't think I said Lin was the defender. Only that he isn't nearly as bad as you, or anyone else is desperate to convince everyone he is. Likewise, Beverly isn't some lockdown savior. Also,Beverly comes in at normal time for their rotations, or to provide a spark. Not because Lin is getting torn apart. Its great that you watch the games, now you just have to figure out just exactly what is going on while those guys are bouncing that orange ball around.[/QUOTE] Different sources provide different information. Watching the games show me Beverley is a better defender. Almost every stat shows this. Lin playing against starters hurts him, but he is also playing with starters. Having Asik on court helps Lin a lot. I never said Lin is a bad defender. He is only not as good as Beverley. He has been abused a couple of times that caused him to get pulled. ..but almost everyone gets abused by the likes of Parker. Beverley does a little better job in those circumstances.
$100 that Bev defending against starting caliber PGs will see his defensive win share fall...and Lin defending against against the 2nd unit will see his defensive win share rise...any takers?
