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The typical American family makes less than it did in 1989

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Air Langhi, Sep 17, 2013.

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  1. chrispbrown

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    I never said it was Bush's. Crap business by banks and handing out mortgages to people who couldn't pay for them was the reason. The free market is pretty FREE an will typically dictate the economy more than small changes in policy. Add to that an expensive war it isn't surprising we have dug a hole.

    Hell the Bush tax cuts were extended, now we have obamas tax plan or part, and nothing drastic has changed, positive or negative.
     
  2. GladiatoRowdy

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    On the debt ceiling issue, it is entirely on Congress. They need to authorize the government to pay the bills that THEY HAVE ALREADY INCURRED or we will default, which would likely cause a financial crisis that would make 2007-2008 look like the recession faced by Bush the elder.

    Given that the people trying to use the debt ceiling as a poison pill are Republicans, it certainly seems reasonable to blame the GOP for this manufactured crisis.
     
  3. bigtexxx

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    Who the F is in charge in this country? Accountability stops at the top. No more tired excuses.
     
  4. ch0c0b0fr34k

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    Obama, to me, will go down in history as a rather ineffective president who was never able to consolidate his party. The Republicans are split in half and yet every proposal that's even slightly partisan gets deadlocked. That includes nominations for appointed positions as well.

    I just heard John McCain speak yesterday about Obama's poor approach to the Syrian crisis. I consider myself a liberal, but many of his points were spot on. Not only has he split his attention between domestic and international issues, but he has yet to hammer down a victory in either. At this point no one knows where Obama stands, because even if he does issue a statement he's proven to just as easily retract it.
     
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    Don't recall you saying that when Bush was in office.
     
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    Nobody had the chance.

    Bush hid the economy's fundamental problems very well until the very end.
     
  7. Amiga

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    The citizens. And they do know who manufacture an unnecessary crisis.

    Republican manufacturing this crisis is responsible and accountable to its outcome. No excuses, no blames.
     
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    Amazing exposing of shameful troll activity.
     
  10. SamFisher

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    Obama is to blame for the Republicans throwing a temper tantrum to cause a government debt default because they are unhappy about losing the last few elections and about uninsured people getting health care?

    Why don't you explain this hypothesis of yours and how it relates to the underlying causation.
     
  11. bigtexxx

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    out of context, but thanks for wasting all your time digging that up

    Obama just isn't taking the necessary steps to fix the jobs situation.
     
  12. bigtexxx

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    not at all

    just deflection and more excuses defending Obama
     
  13. g1184

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    Who the F is in charge of bigtexxx's account? Accountability stops at the top. No more tired excuses.
     
  14. gifford1967

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    li'l t, l'il t, you're so intellectually dishonest on a consistent basis that it takes no time at all to find this stuff.

    However, I think you coming up with an explanation of the "context" of these remarks will take quite a bit of time. In fact, I'm gonna go with- never.
     
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    He is asking for compromise on spending. He wants to gut spending on useless programs, fund things that everyone can agree on, and raise the debt ceiling so our country does not default on payments. We all know Obama increased entitlements, but just today he said he is open to cuts in entitlements. He is showing he is willing to give somethings he is big on if congress will take somethings the administration wants AND can agree with a majority in congress to fund. They are asking for a reallocation of funds and in the end, less spending over all, but that isn't reasonable to congress. It is repeal ACA or we do nothing, at least that is the current stance. Hopefully it is a bluff and not an actual position because jeopardizing the American credit FOR SURE is not a good strategy to repeal something that will not be repealed and only potentially is negative towards the economy.

    The republicans have won for a while in his policies with extension of Bush tax cuts and sequestration. So now while they complain about how things are going he tries to go another route, a collaborative route, and complaints still arise. Instead of lack of leadership can you voice a better policy? I think a big part of the perception problem in politics is that people voice complaints rather than offer a solution.
     
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    tax cuts for the wealthy?

    Please let us know your plan.
     
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    if only a spank down of bigtexxx would ever get him to concede a point. That man has way too much ego to ever do that. Arguing with him is like arguing with a brickwall. Actually, a brick wall would at least make more lucid points.
     
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    the data speaks for itself. Sorry but I won't accept your side's excuses
     
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    What data are you referring too and what are the necessary steps?
     
  20. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    That's the problem big old texxx, is that there are even sides. That it's about
    "winning" or whatever it is you care so much about.

    The rigidity and unwillingness to compromise, the unwillingness to listen to economists and experts on one's "own side" is what is holding this country back, nothing else.
     

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