You know its funny how much fans from other teams value Battier more than our own fans do. If you go read msg boards from other teams someone will float an idea for trading Battier and everyone will pile on them for how ridiculous is is because we'd never trade Battier and they then extole his virtues...anyway, just another example of how the grass is always greener. To the specific topic, while I don't think this would be a horrible trade for us because Turk is actually a pretty good player - I'd rather have the lock down defense of Shane. Battier has a pretty good outside shot, he just needs to be encouraged to use it more often.
no way. battier may have not played that well in the playoffs, but he didn't choke at ALL. now hedo... wow. he just sucked it up against detroit. didn't make 3 pointers, miss some easy gimmes. we don't need any more chokers. so pass. plus, he'd be a one year rental and might want like a 10 million contract next season.
i'm not here to bang on someones idea, but why would orlando trade the 3rd best 4th qt player for a limited, overrated by the fans battier?
The Rox were 2nd in the league for opponents FG%. The Magic were the 7th best in opponent FG% and just .013% behind Houston. I'm not ready to concede that Dwight Howard is that much more of defensive presence than Yao. The Magic's perimeter defense was adequate considering Hedo's help was Jameer and Rashard. Get them to throw in Bogan's and call it a deal. Too bad the Magic would never do it. Not unless one Van Gundy brother overhypes Battier to the other brother.
Didn't we already get rid of Bogans once? And I am sorry but Battier has had how many solid seasons and Hedo has had like two? I stick with the known commodity unless they had a really sweet deal to package with Hedo.
Hedo is exactly the kind of player the rockets need. However, I wouldn't getting him at the expense of battier would be a tough call. Too bad Head is about as valuable as a buffalo nickel.
Buy low, sell high. What if he sucks next year and you can't get anything for him? It is like playing the stock market. It would also allow them to move Rashard Lewis to SF instead of PF.
I wouldn't do it. Outside of this season, Hedo has never been anything special. IMO, we should be adding someone more offensively minded to complement Battier instead of trading him away.
bogans was a f/a when we let him walk (which was a right move imo). but based on what i've heard and seen this year, he's imporved quite a bit since then. and both shane and hedo are solid players. hedo will bring more offense. the delta we gain will be greater than what we lose in defense.
Huh?? Battier has been in the league for 7 years. Here are his numbers for those 7 seasons... FG% - 45 3FG% - 38.9 FT% - 0.747 RB - 4.8 AST - 1.8 ST - 1.2 BS - 1.0 PPG - 10.3 Hedo has been in the league for 8 years. Here are his numbers for those 8 seasons... FG% - 43.1 3FG% - 39.1 FT% - 79.9 RB - 4.1 AST - 2.5 ST - 0.8 BS - 0.3 PPG - 11.7 Please do tell me how exactly Battier has had "many solid seasons" and Hedo has had only had two?? Keep in mind that we are looking at Hedo's averages despite them taking a huge hit in his first season as a Spurs. Have you watched him when he used to play for the Kings? He was solid for them in the regular season as well as playoffs. Judging from the numbers for the two players over 7+ seasons span, I just dont understand how you consider one to be known and the other as a risk. Let's look at this from the two team's perspective. Magic: Hedo is their primary playmaker. Not Dwight. Not Rashard. Hedo is their best creator, for himself and his teammates. He was one of the main reasons they advanced to second round. Hedo is still showing signs of improvement, while even the most avid battier fans will have to admit that Battier has hit the ceiling. Why would Magic trade him away and lose their best creator for Battier who is an upgrade over Bogans?? Yet, you also want them to throw something in to sweeten the deal??!? Rockets: For the Rockets it will come down to whether they need a playmaker to assist Tracy McGrady more than they need services of Shane Battier. I would say yes, because, a playmaker and a good shooter with size like Hedo is much harder to replace than a one dimensional player like Shane Battier. Rockets will gain a lot more with Hedo's playmaking ability than they will lose by replacing someone else to play Battier's role. Exactly how many seasons have we gone thru now with Tracy McGrady being the only one on this Rockets team that can create in playoffs??
^ Zboy, I was about to post similar to you. Hedo has consistently been the better offensive player. More qualitative, but Shane has been the consistently better defensive player. This past year, though, Hedo was so much better on offense, it is a deal you'd do. It may be just a one time thing with him, but I think it is a combination of him continuing to understand how to be successful int he league and having a player like Rashard the other team has to concentrate on a little more. Even considering Yao/Tmac play differently than Rashard/Dwight, Hedo would have a similar 1,2 punch with us to play off of. And finally, Hedo's contract runs up one year before Shane does, so Hedo has to keep performing for the money, and if it doesn't work, another trade chip. Yeah, other teams that have made the second round of the playoffs already. Shane is the type of player the Rockets would be trying to get if they had made the second round or WCF for a few years and were trying to get over that next hump. It'd be great if we could trade him for Ron Artest, who's give you that offense without losing that lock down defense, but we can't. ANd we still need offense at the risk of losing defense, so it's a no brainer for the Rockets. The Magic gave up almost 100 points per game, though playing at a higher pace, while scoring almost 105...they could use defense (or at least a slower pace player) at the expense of offense.... though imo it would be a bad deal for them.
We'd have to give them more than Shane. However, SVG is their coach. JVG overpaid to get Shane. Why won't SVG? And Orlando's GM is dumber than Morey/Dawson too.
You are absolutely correct. Here are Keith Bogan's numbers for this season compared to Shane battier in an almost identical role... Bogans: FG% - 41 3FG% - 36.2 FT% - 73.6 RB - 3.2 AST - 1.3 ST - 0.7 BS - 0.1 PPG - 8.7 Battier: FG% - 42.8 3FG% - 37.7 FT% - 0.743 RB - 5.1 AST - 1.9 ST - 1.0 BS - 1.1 PPG - 9.3 Is Bogans as good as Shane? Absolutely not. By how much? I will leave that up to you... Is Shane that much better than Bogans that Magic would consider giving up their best playmaker for him? Absolutely not. Would Rockets gain a lot more with Hedo and getting a player like Bogans to replace Shane? <object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/WPqkAYGlynI&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/WPqkAYGlynI&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>
Equal trade?? Man you are definitely not lookin at these two players seriously! Turk is a offensive threat and will automatically cause problems for our opponents. Shane is just a glue guy that does little on the offensive end. Majority of the teams we played left him open because he is not worth guarding. Can we please assemble a starting lineup where everyone can score? In this type of offense we need 5 guy's that can score.
Turkoglu would be a perfect fit for us offensively, but I'm not sure how T-Mac and Turk at the wing positions would work defensively. I'd be tempted go through with it regardless.
I do this trade every day of the week, and twice on Sunday. The guy is a flat-out baller....I am convinced that if he played for a more prominent team, he would be a LOT more known. If he hadn't had injuries a couple of years ago, his development would have been a little faster. As it stands right now, if the Magic are willing to make that trade, I would do it. The only thing that's kinda got me thinking is whether or not he would sign an extension.....maybe we work out a S-n-T with them somehow. If he's available though, I would heavily pursue this.
I would also do this deal with no hesitation. And I would have no qualms with forking out more cash for Hedo, he is worth it.
Clearly you haven't watched Hedo play anytime other than when he was a Spur, otherwise you would know that he is about as solid as they come. Turkoglu is the MAIN player in Orlando....most people think it's either Dwight or Rashard, but that just is not the case. Rashard had one of his worst years as a pro this year, and Dwight's game is the EXACT same as Shaq, meaning he can't do anything without someone feeding him the ball 3 feet from the hoop. There's a reason why Orlando is even thinking about trading him.....because they know that after this year, he's going to be making A LOT more than $6 million.
