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The Truth- What McGrady brings in the Playoffs

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DudeWah, Feb 2, 2009.

  1. crash5179

    crash5179 Member

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    Please don't try to compare the Lakers supporting cast to the Kings in those days because it was not even close.

    Peja and Rick? Is that what you remember? Peja was not starting during the 1st series against the lakers. Peja dominated Rick in the second series and Peja was hurt during the 3rd series and didn't start. Turkalu (sp?) started that series and played very well.
     
  2. leonking

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    Are you serious? Tmac's eff was 24 in the playoff. 10th in the NBA

    http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/08/1/eff/8-1
     
  3. SuperStar

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    How in the world do you get the idea I'm comparing the Kings role players with the Lakers?

    "Defensively, Foxy was one of the better small forwards in the league, as evidenced by the way he shut down Peja Stojakovic in the 2001 Western Conference Semifinals. Offensively, he was a good outside shooter and passer, someone who Phil Jackson praised in The Last Season for his ability to make the entry pass to Shaq, a smart player who never made a boneheaded play and always played within himself.

    In Game Seven of the 2002 Western Conference Finals against the Kings, he had 13 points, 14 rebounds, and seven assists. With a potential three-peat hanging in the balance, he stood taller than ever, rising to the occasion, along with Diesel, Mamba, Big Shot, and Fish in helping us get back to the Finals. "

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/79725-a-completely-random-and-inexplicable-rick-fox-tribute

    You said the Lakers had crappy role players but you don't WIN a championship with crappy role players.
     
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    so we should dump Yao Ming and Shane Battier also? right?

    So you're not bashing him....but you're just bashing him....whatev. You and Tinman should get along just fine, you both over use double standards and disdain to try and make a totally bogus argument.
     
  5. crash5179

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    OK so your point is that if only Yao and TMac had that supporting cast would would be winning championships right.

    That supporting cast was not that good. Yao and TMac would not have had any play off success wit that supporting cast. Yao and TMac are not on the level of Shaq and Kobe.
     
  6. SuperStar

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    Noooo my point is no championship team has crappy role players.

    Who knows what Tmac and Yao could of done with those role players but we do know that Yao is nothing close to Shaq and Tmac is not close to Kobe.

    Remember Peja was an All star and Fox had the better of the matchup throughout their careers.

    Horry was lengthy and play great D. He also could hit 3's.

    The role players were definitely good, that's all I'm saying.
     
  7. DudeWah

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    That is very probable

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    He just proved to you that the Laker supporting cast was in fact pretty darn good

    So, instead of pointing to any reasonable argument against it, you make some claim based on pure assumption that Yao And Tracy would not do well with the Lakers supporting cast.

    Way to go...
    I'm pretty sure that superstar just one upped your argument..
     
  8. crash5179

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    No...he did not.

    That was with out a doubt one of the worst supporting casts to ever win a championship.
     
  9. DudeWah

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    Prove it
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    They had a very good supporting cast that kept opposing team's defense honest..
     
  10. t_mac1

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    uhh, says you. i never heard anyone else says it.
     
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    Come on, tell me when do you think Tmac was healthy during the past 3 years.

    Will he ever be healthy again?
     
  13. crash5179

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    2001 Series between Sac and LA

    Game 1 - Shaq and Kobe combine for 73 rest of the team 35 Rick Fox 4 Peja 20
    Game 2 - Shaq and Kobe combine for 70 rest of the team 26 Rick Fox 9 Peja 20
    Game 3 - Shaq and Kobe combine for 57 rest of the team 44 Rick Fox 11 Peja 14
    Game 4 - Shaq and Kobe combine for 74 rest of the team 41 fueled by Derick Fishers 20 points Rick Fox 6 Peja 26

    I don't know that I have ever seen a team where 2 players dominated the offense the way Shaq and Kobe did on that team. Peja averaged 20 points a game and Fox averaged 7 pts a game.
     
  14. crash5179

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    Then you were not listening.
     
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    Your kidding right?
     
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    Just to add some sort of comparison, the Rockets supporting cast was not very well respected during their championship years. I think most of us think they were pretty good but here is how their supporting cast performed in a 4 game series.

    95 series against the Magic:
    Game 1 - Dream and Glyde 54 pts the rest of the team 66 points.
    Game 2 - Dream and Glyde 57 pts the rest of the team 60 points
    Game 3 - Dream and Glyde 56 pts the rest of the team 50 points.
    Game 4 - Dream and Glyde 50 pts the rest of the team 63 points

    Dream and Clyde did not have to dominate the offense the way Shaq and Kobe did because there supporting cast actually supported on offense.
     
  17. SuperStar

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    All it does is prove how good Kobe and Shaq was, not how bad the role players are. Horry and Fox were defense oriented players. They fit in fine. Fisher went to Utah for a year and you see how important he is.
     
  18. t_mac1

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    michael and scottie scored most of the bulls' points. are you saying their role players suck too?

    the point is their role players can hit BIG SHOTS. dfish hit big shots. horry made big shots. fox made big shots. harper was a good facilitator.
     
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    Depends on if we get him the ball deep enough in the post. Yao doesn't control the offense. He does get into foul trouble though.

    Shane's a reliable shooter in the playoffs. especially from 3. He should shoot more.
     
  20. t_mac1

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    that depends on yao. he didn't get a lot of deep positions v. okur and shot 44%. if he gets deep position, he's unstoppable (like he was today).

    that's why we'll see as yao plays v. more physical players if he can consistently get deep position.
     

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