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The truth(s?) about Jeremy Lin

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by valorita, Mar 10, 2013.

  1. MrSabotage

    MrSabotage Member

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    Avery Bradley? Are you serious?

    I'd bet like almost every GM would disagree with that.
     
  2. webattorney

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    Man, no one knows really what it is to live as the other. I give you one example. Frederick Douglas, one of the heroes of the anti-slavery movement, was not at supportive of women's movement. That showed me that people view things differently. I met all kinds of racists from all kinds of races, and I met all kinds of nice people from all kinds of races. It's just that I rather hang out with nice people from any race.
     
  3. zdrav

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    Are you making the "Everyone's a little bit racist so let's all just call it even and try to mind out own business" line of argument? Because that's not very helpful.
     
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    Good enough of an example. I rep.

    Black people had extraordinary difficulties in the past getting recognition or acceptance in the academic community for many of the same basic reasons Stephen A Smith and Rob Parker refuse to accept JLin no matter how well he performs. When I heard Parker compare him to Jon Koncak I knew he was without a doubt a 100% racist right there and then (which was later proven beyond a shadow of a doubt with his comical, professional suicidal comments on RG3.) same with Floyd Mayweather--which he previously proved with his anti-Asian comments towards Pacquiao.

    I don't know much about Neil Degrasse Tyson or his past. But given his age and his field, it is not difficult to imagine him being doubted or having to prove himself over and over again to find acceptance and credibility. His was almost certainly not an easy road to success.
     
  6. zdrav

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    No doubt some people still think of him as some kind of affirmative action scientist. Even if he wins the Nobel Prize. In fact, such an honour would only confirm their view that the world is out to get the poor persecuted straight white Christian men.
     
  7. Ynnis888

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    There was no formula for Linsanity

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/there-was-no-formula-for-linsanity-1.4845234

    BOSTON -- Jeremy Lin was a Rocket for two weeks in December 2011, but the team let him go, only to see him flourish with the Knicks. By the time Houston signed him back last summer, it cost the team more than $25 million.

    How could a famously analytics-friendly general manager such as the Rockets' Daryl Morey have miscalculated him so badly in the first place?

    "He's a really interesting case study," Morey said of the former Harvard star. "He was very hard to forecast because he looks so different from anyone who's come before. There aren't a lot of Ivy League guys who make the league, so it's very hard, or even small-college guys who make it. So it's very hard to separate out the signal and noise.

    "We liked him. I think everyone's model said he was going to be great. The problem was at the small-college level, there are 20 to 30 guys every year who look like they're going to be great. How do you separate that out? We brought him in and liked him, but we had no inkling he could be as good as he is."

    By Feb. 9, 2012, in the early stages of Linsanity, Morey was publicly expressing regrets via Twitter. He got his second chance in July, prying Lin from the Knicks. Lin has not been spectacular, but he has been a good fit for the playoff-contending Rockets.

    "We were trying to find bets that could have a very high upside and Jeremy was absolutely that," Morey said. "We knew he could play at an All-Star level. We didn't sign him to a [dollar] number that he needed to play at an All-Star level. But we liked that no one knew what he was going to become and we believed it might be very good."
     
  8. AggNRox

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    looks like we need to throw all #s out of window. #s won't help morey to figure out lin. i doubt any of us is smarter than morey.:grin::grin::grin:
     
  9. Ynnis888

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    It's complicated. :grin:
     
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    well, there you have. morey said they didn't sign him to perform at all-star level (8 mil/yr is not all star) RIGHT NOW but they do think he's gonna be very good and they're willing to bet on it.

    and not sure if you notice, but the premise here is that if you go to a small time school AND doesn't look like a typical NBA PG, you have NO shot no matter how good you are. No GM or scout will give you a shot with their jobs on the line. people will take the safe way out and in this case, go after kids from big schools. well, guess what, that's how it work from high school to college as well. in other words, the way that lin slipped through the cracks is not very surprising, and the sad thing is, there are probably plenty of lins out there that just need their one chance.
     
  12. GSWSFG49ers

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    This is stupid, rockets GM signed Lin to 8 mil a year . That's a huge gamble. 28 starts only to decide. Hes Lucky Lin is producing well and is the player as advertised
     
  13. BleedRed

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    Morey is lucky with Asik too? This article gives a very good analysis of Lin's salary done in July:

    http://odensknee.blogspot.com/2012/07/market-for-starting-pgs-aka-jeremy-lin.html

    To summarize, Lin is getting paid below average for a starting PG who is not on their rookie deal. Some of the non superstars getting paid more than him, Mike Conley, Maurice Williams, Calderon, and there are only four guys below him Felton, Duhon and Chalmers, George Hill is at par with Lin and he got a really long term deal.

    There are also bunch of players currently on rookie deals who will very likely get paid more than Lin when the reup, i.e. Rubio, Lillard, Jrue Holiday, Walker, Wall, etc etc. Overall, Lin seems to be at the right place when it comes to the salary chart and is not overpaid. His output to date actually lines up very well with his salary and he might actually be slightly underpaid. That said, if he keeps improving, he will end up being a good deal for the Rockets.
     
  14. Pukimonster

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    lol... I heard about Lin when he was at Harvard, forgot about him, then heard about him outplaying Wall and getting signed. Bought league pass his rookie year to watch him on GSW. Ended up being a waste of $$$ because the guy couldn't do anything well except get in the paint - couldn't shoot, couldn't finish, couldn't take care of the ball, etc. Thought he couldn't compete at the NBA pace and at best would be a poor man's Rondo off the bench. Then on NYK he's suddenly making AND 1's getting bumped in traffic and running the offense

    The guy has improved monumentally every offseason - whatever he sucks at he ends up fixing the next year. His defense was average last year - this year his one on one D is solid, he's a league leader in steals, his recovery D has gotten some sick blocks. TO's still needs work but nowhere near as atrocious as last year. I thought people'd have to wait until next season for him to find his shot but considering his work ethic I'm really not surprised his shot is now falling.
     
  15. Habs

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    Jeremy Lin is like Michael Ryder. Very good player, underrated, young star, gets a lot of scoring done. Appreciated by real NBA fans. But not selfish enough to vault him into All-star category. They're both supremely athletic and it's obvious to people who follow them, they use their superior speed to score in uncanny ways.

    Ryder like Lin, loves playing in a big market where their sport is highly valued by knowledgeable fans, and where it isn't on the back pages to the NFL. In Montreal, the Canadiens are #1 just like how in NYC basketball the Knicks make the news.

    They both left their favourite markets. To a good market but not as great, to fans that won't ever be as appreciative or that can understand their value.

    Whether the Rockets will end up like the Bruins or the Habs will depend on where Lin ends up signing in 3 years. The Habs are glad they got Ryder back. It's 1 of the reasons why they're a top 2 team in the East. The Knicks however, are they as smart a franchise? Time will tell.
     
  16. GSWSFG49ers

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    7 footers are hard to find. Asik situation is different. Centers in this league get paid for being tall. 8 million is minimum. Lin being a guard where there's a ton of them in the nba. 8 million was a gamble. A gamble with only 28 NBA starts . So this GM bull crap is funny cause also you could look at the recent deals. The ppat a trob trade The deadline trade I believe sac won also. Harden trade was the only good trade ur GM made IMO
     
  17. SuperStar

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    Let's create a forum for real fans!

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  18. King1

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    I'd bet your wrong. Possibly the best on ball defender in the NBA as opposed to a PG (who is really a SG that can't shoot) that needs the ball to be effective. Not to mention Bradley is on a rookie deal If that's a negative on Wall, then Lin's contract certainly applies here. Can't have it both ways
     
  19. fchowd0311

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    You described Avery Bradley there not Lin.
     
  20. RocketFever

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    Keep pushing the lead, we need to game the hollinger ratings so we can get back to #4!
     

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