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The truth(s?) about Jeremy Lin

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by valorita, Mar 10, 2013.

  1. Mr. Clutch

    Mr. Clutch Member

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    The truth is LOH's were wrong.

    Close the thread.
     
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  2. Bublanski

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    neither am i considering you didnt have a point to begin with.
     
  3. HadToDoItCF

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    I think the reality is that Jeremy's "room," as you call it, is huge. His floor is very low. His ceiling is very high. The amount of space there is between his great play and poor play is astounding.

    When you look at someone like James, he has terrible games as well, but he does not play at that level during the whole game (usually) and he doesn't have multiple games in a row with that low performance level.

    Jeremy is so hard to figure out because he has such a wild amount of inconsistency. Every game I hold my breath on his first 3 point attempt because I feel like that dictates how his game is going to go. I like Jeremy as a person a lot and I hope he develops his consistent game closer to his ceiling than to his floor, because he will be a very good PG if he does.
     
  4. zhaizor

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    quoted for truth
     
  5. flamingdts

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    Says the guy who missed the point.
     
  6. zdrav

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    Do you think that Lin is exceptionally inconsistent for a young PG who's NOT a sure-fire future All-Star?
     
  7. BleedRed

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    Floor? Just because Lin makes dumb mistakes because he is practically playing his first full year in the NBA doesn't mean that's his "floor". Its called inconsistent due to lack of experience. duh

    Almost every single player who plays a sport improves as they keep playing, they don't go back to their "floor" so I am not sure why you keep bringing this up. Its just that majority of the player's ceiling is just not high enough. Lets drop this floor discussion which really makes no sense. The only discussion we should be having is when if Lin will eventually start delivering consistently at a high very level or at an average level. And yes, consistent he will become, only at what level.
     
  8. Bublanski

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    says the guy who doesnt have a point.
     
  9. IronicMan

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    Looks like we have a Ben Hendrickson here.
     
  10. sli

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    Great post!

    Very thoughtful and data-based posts on this thread. I am impressed!

     
  11. sirbaihu

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    Anyone who plays in the NBA is a genetic anomaly. Anyway, what do you have against tall people?

    If you think Yao didn't face stereotypes, you weren't following the Rockets then.

    You're saying root for the American who went to Harvard, not the Chinese guy? Why should I?



    The Rockets have done more for Asian players than any other team. According to your thinking, I would be better off not mentioning that. Well, I'll say it again. This is the team of Yao Ming. Go troll the other 29 teams first about their anti-Asian prejudice, save the Rockets for #30.

    I didn't equate white men with women and minorities.

    Can't believe you are crying about the tough life of a poor Asian-American Harvard grad millionaire.
     
  12. Pukimonster

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    Yao and Lin are worlds apart. Just like black people born in the US don't look at Mbenga and go, hey I can totally relate to THAT guy, same goes with Asians that are born here vs the ones overseas with f-d up teeth that can't speak English

    All this has little to do with basketball anyway but this thread somehow got people going about the nuances of race. If this topic annoys you then don't reply

    Meanwhile root for whoever you want, nobody gives a ****
     
  13. sirbaihu

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    If Asian-Americans don't relate to Yao Ming, that's fine with me.

    Zdrav even suggested that Lin is somehow more worthy of support than Yao (because Yao's genes are unusual and he's Chinese, not American).

    I'm just saying non-Asian-American Rockets fans probably are not going through issues with Lin's race, after Yao.
     
  14. Pukimonster

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    Nah he's just saying it's harder for an Asian American to get this type of job than an Asian national, which is true. I doubt non-Asian Americans care all that much but it really means a lot for AA's when somebody they can relate too does well because you've grown up idolizing pretty much nobody you can relate to.

    Anyway you're right in that the Rockets show more love than any other organization. Whether or not people wanna root for Lin or hate on him or not care, to me that's a personal decision but I don't think the org is mistreating him at all.

    Anyway back to basketball. Jason Terry got raped today!!!!
     
  15. lookabove

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    November, throw that away - chalk it to the surgery.


    THIS is the problem

    0 days rest games - Lin's play 18 if them and has been horrible. That 27% of games play this year a little over 1/4.

    Check out his shooting splits - if he has at least 1 day rest he shoot 46% FG or better and positive number in plus/minus. No rest - 36.9% FG with a -84 plus/minus.


    http://stats.nba.com/playerStats.html?PlayerID=202391&groupFeedtype=splitsGeneral&MeasureType=Base&PerMode=Totals


    This something Lin needs to work on during the offseason. Whatever he need to do to recover body.
    - Stamina
    - diet/nutrition
    - hydration
    - Sleep
    - Travel routine
     
  16. zdrav

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    A 7'6" center is the same kind of genetic anomaly as a 6'3" guard? Come on. That's a weak argument and you know it. Almost every kid out there can try to emulate Lin's game because it doesn't require one to have an abnormal size advantage over everybody else. That's what I'm talking about.

    Yao did face stereotypes, but they were a very different set of stereotypes because he was a giant, a Chinese national, and a product of the Chinese sports system.

    Once again, you're trying to claim that your group deserves to above reproach just because you once accepted a single exceptional member of a group. And I don't know why you're so defensive about the Rockets when most of my criticism is directed towards people like SAS who seem to want Lin to fail. SAS is not part of the Rockets' organization, last time I checked.

    I'm not feeling sorry for Lin. Yet again, you miss the point. Lin has succeeded beyond his wildest dreams, but he was THIS CLOSE to being shut out from his dream. For every Jeremy Lin, there are hundreds if not thousands more who never stumble onto blind luck and get a chance to shine. When I talk about the stereotypes that Lin has to face, I'm really more concerned about regular people out there who are still struggling to overcome deeply ingrained prejudices that are holding them down.
     
  17. iconoclastic

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    Asian-Americans have faced WAY more racism than Asians.
     
  18. sirbaihu

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    I hope everyone succeeds, and I hope Lin is better than MJ while he is on the Rockets.

    I forget where this argument even started, but I'll say this: trying to put Yao below Jeremy Lin because of his genes is basically what racists do, disliking a person's genes.

    I don't care about Jeremy Lin's race. You do. OK. But not everyone does. It is quite possible that McHale, Morey, Alexander and many fans care LESS about Lin's race than you do.

    You've got something to say about being Asian-American. Great! I probably agree with most of what you would say. But this is a pro-Rockets basketball board; it's not a basketball-neutral, social issues site like Huffington Post.

    I don't believe that anyone on the team needs to be torn down in order to raise Lin up.
     
  19. Jedster

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    Man, I understand what you're trying to say and I agree with you. But hey, no need to bring teeth into this. My teeth ain't that great either and I resent teeth-ism.
     
  20. BaconAndEggs

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    This isn't a good diet?

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