The truth: Ron, with a bad ankle, is more clutch than Yao and more heart than Mac.

go to the other thread you mentioned a ton. somebody already did the work for you. be careful, do not let the door jam your head when you exit.

 

Wow. 2 games and one of them over a crappy team.

Well this topic can be put to rest then, Yao is now the epitome of clutchness and is beyond criticism even after tonight.

 

people throw around words like "heart" and "clutch" all the time. what do they mean? how does someone prove how much heart someone has?

for instance would anyone really argue that another player has more heart than yao? the guy gives up everything he has for his team and teammates.

does clutch mean game-winning shots? yao doesn't have many of those but does that really mean anything? or does it mean producing in the 4th quarter of close games, perhaps games decided by 10 points or less? if that's the case, than i suspect yao does as well any other player of his caliber. i'm not sure where to look, but i am curious what his 4th quarter numbers are as far as points scored and per. I bet their just fine.

since you are the one calling him out, and using other bbs member's opinions of yao as your argument is rather weak, maybe you should find those numbers. otherwise i think you're a little biased against the big fellow, you may be surprised.

 

I saw it and was nonplussed with the stats, given the names above Yao. Landry is more clutch then Yao according to the stats.

I trust my own eyes and my own memory (also when other people create similar threads, that leads me to think it's a pattern).

So whoopee to your point.

 

yes, stats is nothing. my "eyes and memory" is way better. sounds truly convincing to me.

keep using your logic, and you will certainly be an unbeatable debater. too bad the mccain campaign didn't hire you.

looking for the "ignore" button.

 

How about these stats?


Utah's no name, rookie centers:

54 minutes, 26 points, 12-17 shooting, 15 rebounds, 3 assists, 4 blocks.

Yao Ming:

43 minutes, 26 points, 9-23 shooting, 11 rebounds, 2 assists, 4 blocks


Yao getting beat up by a couple of rookie centers and some wonder why people call him soft.

 

1,700+ posts of nothing. LOL

Whatever n00b.

 

the stats tell me yao produced, in less time, same amount of pts and blocks, 4 fewer rebounds in a game where we as a team outrebounded the other team by a ton, and 1 fewer assist when no rocket could hit a shot late in the game. and that is 1-on-2 stats - in a game when the refs gave him nothing for a fair share of calls he deserves.

come again? why these numbers tell me yao is soft?

 

Yao has played incredibly well this entire season. He can do things no one else in the league can do. Likewise, we all know he has limitations and frankly it is a tired subject.

The take home is that Utah's bigs had a great game, but Yao is still a force.

 

The stats tell you Yao, the 6 time All-Star, produced in 7 fewer minutes the same amount of points and blocks and four fewer rebounds against the weakest position on the Utah Jazz team?

 

I totally agree with u. We should get rid of Mclady at soon as possible if some stupid teams still want him.

 

yes, on a 1-versus-2 basis, on a often-being-doubled-and-not-get-calls basis.

pick any star any night, try to calculate their numbers on a 1-versus-2 basis and see how often they can beat the opposing defenders combined.


since i still have the game score tab open, i can do one for you real quick -

deron williams | 45mins 14pts 11asts 2stls 3rebs 4tos

our 2 pg combined (the god awful rafer plus a second-year brooks, the weakest link on our team, eh?)

58mins 23pts 4asts 2stls 11rebs 4tos


and your conclusion?

 

Wow, that guy got owned. By the way, who cares? If you think artest is going to carry rox all the time, you're high. If you think Yao is going to carry us all the time, you're high too. But at least those two made it on the court...ahem...

 

Well, first of all, I agree with u that Yao is not "money time" player. But what I want to say is that it was always the guards or SF made that big posession in the history because they could keep the ball and made the decision themselves and meanwhile it would be very hard to pass the ball to your big guys deep inside at "money time" because they were always doubled. So it is a little unfair to compair their performence at "money time".

 

i dunno, yao has been solid in the 4th lately, tonight he was being SHOVED it's hard to make the shot when you get knocked off your shot, even a little will make it hit the iron...ron was a beast in ot though THANKS RON! i mean i was just like "give it to ron, give it to ron" attack attack attack, and we win

on another note...anyone else wish yao would just take the ball and throw it in the stands one night to show he's fed up with not getting any calls? haha i don't care if he is suspended for a game or even 5 the refs need to do their jobs better, they let some stuff go, but allow murder on others, i just don't understand the officiating never gets better each year they cease to amaze me. i realize him getting mad probably wouldn't do anything, but scare the officials a little haha. so frustrating to watch us get killed with no love from the refs

and for a third note, scola, please stop with the stupid fouls lol. you get most of your fouls from reaching in on rebounds and other random things, just relax bruh!

i saw a guy at cafe layal wearing a jazz shirt after the game (he was at the game) we had an interesting chat, apparently not ALL jazz fans are douches : )

 

Yao's not Kobe, Jordon or even Shaq. We all know that. Expecting
him to carry the whole team through the game and being a finisher
at the same time is simply not fair. And guess why we have three all-star
level players? Caz they all have their share of the responsibilities
for us to have a complete game.

IMHO, Yao has done his part of maximizing the potential within his reach by hard work and dedication. And he should not be blamed for not be able to become a super hero.

 

i mean i am not basking mac and saying to trade him, but it's clear he isn't giving it his all, his defense the last few games has been ultra poor, and the one thing i thought i could rely on him to do, passing, was atrocious...i mean he really made some stupid passes, behind the back for no reason, very un tmac like....i just dont know what to do with him anymore, rest him? or maybe threaten him with a trade to the thunder lol, anything to spark some more interest in his heart, we all know when he is healthy this team can do wonders, but its hard to watch right now

artest's ankle is pretty bad, didnt they say he tore something but playing wont make it worse? he may have only played 3 more games, but he played more minutes, and WAY WAY WWAYYYYYY harder than tmac, if you don't agree...die...

artest pisses me off sometimes with his shot selection, but he more often than not makes up for it with his toughness and relentlessness. that man is going to find a way to contribute if it means capping the opposing teams best player, going to prison, and dying on death row.

again, i love tmac, because i know what he can do, and i just tell myself he is injured, but at some point hes going to have to step up, if he doesn't he will be the biggest disappointment for the houston rockets in a long time

 

it's the manner of the games been played that makes a world of different.

why do these people still defense this Tmac guy?


why.


one: i play, but you know i am hurt (like forever) and you all need me. i can always run away.

two: this is my job. i am doing it even i am hurt. (don't mention it) i don't know how to run away.

 

The difference isnt just 3 games - its that TMac has been making excuses for years and Artest is playing hard through torn ligaments while McGrady plays when he feels like it.

Then wont run back on D when he's missing shots.

 

It's not about how many games they played but how they played in those games. It seems that Ron has always given his all. Tracy, not so much. It's really weird because up until this season, Tracy was a warrior and while often injured, he never wanted to use it as an excuse. This season he started making excuses during training camp. While he has legit reason to do so, it's kind of unlike him. So yeah, when he plays, Tracy isn't playing with as much heart as Ron is and that's why gets flack and Ron doesn't. The amount of effort appears to be significantly less than it has been in years past.