Personally, it is not something I would do. But do they every right to impose this law? Absolutely! The law is not discriminatory. The law is not selective. The law is not aimed at one particular group over another. Post an article about Muslim women being stoned in Nigeria for getting raped and I'll condemn it. Post an article about the people of Aceh not allowing Christians in Aceh to practice their faith and I will condemn it. But not in this instance
Here, you have my absolute support. I condemn this. Let me state that emphatically. This is wrong!! If you want to bash Muslims on this forum, this is the type of article you should post. Most rational people will agree with you. However, the caning article you posted was just pathetic. I don't think you won any support on that one
Not being a mainstream Muslim or any Muslim for that matter I can only guess what they would say but as for your bashing on Muslims or Islam I did a quick search and found this http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=77694&highlight=giddyup+islam where you created a thread dedicated to the type of clash of civilizations paranoia, that Islam is out to conquer the World, from what I understand, the vast majority of Muslims reject this. To my previous point this is very similar to the type of historical spin that Bin Ladin himself uses to justify Al Qaeda by claiming it as part of a 1000 + year war of Christianity attempting to wipe out Islam. In this case you're justifying his rhetoric.
Some will look at the actions of a few or a few groups and try and shame over a billion folks based on those few actions. The ones who come off in a poor light when that happens aren't the majority of that billion, but the one who tries stereo type many based on the actions of a few. It is simplemindedness to assume that because some folks are a certain way then surely all folks muse be that way. Using the same logic as Gwayneco uses all right wingers are terrorists who want to blow up federal buildings and kill emergency workers, or anyone who attends the Olympics. Gwayneco is a right winger.
Hah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He reads this forum? Have I ever said that I hate Islam? And how am I bashing Muslims? I'm just posting news articles. Like this: http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/06/26/wmid26.xml
Isn't that one of the points made in the article. I said nothing exceptional. In fact, I said nothing but post the article which expounds on Wahhabism (SP?). So we denounce OBL and OBL denounces all of America as the Great Satan. Exactly where is all the Muslim world denounced in this piece or by me.. because that is what you accused me of? I'm a cultural Christian not a zealot of any stripe. I think the main purpose of religion is to center one's life and to find insertion into a community of like-minded families.
Fine, it's your right to post as many articles as you want that discuss any number of things. However, as I said before, I fail to see how this relates to "The Truth about Islam", which IS what this thread is (or at least was) about. Start new threads if you want to share these stories with the rest of the BBS. They fail to relate to "Islam" as a religion. Otherwise, the ONLY possible conclusion as to WHY you post here in this thread is because you want to relate these articles you are posting to Islam as a religion. If so, at least don't be a coward and admit it. I think most people browsing through this forum are familiar with your views, so no point in trying to mask 'em. What would be the point of posting random articles about hateful speech/violent actions committed by Jews and Christians unless, of course, I am attempting to make a connection between those actions and their "evil" religions?
There are many truths about Islam. It's precisely because I care about co-existing with Muslims that I post the articles. We should understand our enemy, and we do not understand it by ignoring it. There is a strand of Islam that wants to do destroy all those who don't agree with it. That is who we face, and we is not just the West, but moderate Muslims as well. In fact, moderate Muslims are far more likely to be the victims of this barbarism than are Westerners. That is the reality. And I have reached a level of complete intolerance for the proposition that whenever an American soldier so much as sneezes toward Mecca, it is somehow an outrage against Islam. Meanwhile the cruelty of fun-loving head choppers merit a collective yawn. This double standard enrages me. Yes, "enrages" is not too strong a word. All sense of proportion has been lost, and I am beginning to think that the Western world is completely incapable of any rationality in this regard. The Islamic jihadists believe they have chosen a soft target. The western political and media elites are hell-bent on proving them right. Just ask Oriana Fallaci.
It's kind of alarming when Saudi investors have around 750 million dollars invested in America. They play the money game pretty well... probably better than other missionary religious groups. It seems this money has legitimized Wahabism, and our world leaders are hesisitating to strike against it. With our debtor's economy that opens us up to foreign investors such as China, I have trouble grasping who controls who, the superpower or them? I'm not an isolationist, but if this is where we're headed, national security should take precedence....
And I suppose when wnes or Franchiseblade posts some article about the Bush Admin. they ware just expounding and not criticizing. That whole article was talking about how the current conflict we are in is the third great Jihad of Islam seeking to take over the world and establish a new Caliphate. I would say that's critical of Islam when in terms of the conflict its really a tiny tiny minority of crazies with delusions of grandeur and not some great Islamic movement. I'm glad you feel that way but when you start threads like "Why the extreme left is soft on Islamofascism" shows you've got an axe to grind against both the left and Islam.
<b>Sishir Chang And I suppose when wnes or Franchiseblade posts some article about the Bush Admin. they ware just expounding and not criticizing.</b> It is 10-1 against the administration here. I do what I can to keep up. <b>That whole article was talking about how the current conflict we are in is the third great Jihad of Islam seeking to take over the world and establish a new Caliphate. I would say that's critical of Islam when in terms of the conflict its really a tiny tiny minority of crazies with delusions of grandeur and not some great Islamic movement.</b> Nowhere in that article does it say or even imply that all Muslims embrace this idea. He is just picking up the historical thread that explains OBL's motives and puts this "emergence" in perspective. <b>I'm glad you feel that way but when you start threads like "Why the extreme left is soft on Islamofascism" shows you've got an axe to grind against both the left and Islam.</b> No. You are pre-supposing that every Muslim is an Islamofascist. Nowhere is that asserted. Yeah, I do have an ax to grind against the left.
Try a trillion dollars, that's approx how much they have invested in the American economy. BTW, most of their investments are not in local religious centers/schools etc, but rather in the stock market/real estate etc. So they are normal investors for the most part, business-oriented more than anything else. Most of the money donated to religious causes in the US or Europe is through regular charitable contributions.
From one Muslim to a whole slew of other faiths: Can't we just all get along? Life is too short. In Islam - "there is no compulsion" in religion. Regardless of what you follow, you still die. What happens afterwards is all up to what you believe. Your beliefs should not affect mine, and vice versa. If you believe we die and we are reincarnated, and I don't, who cares? It doesn't change it if it was true. Our actions do not make one religion true and another false. That is what we find out when we die.
He meant that the Koran says there is no "compulsion" in forcing people to convert to Islam, that is what the verse refers to if I am not mistaken. Islamic law is meant for social order, basically establishing civilian laws to keep the order in society. In this sense, its aim is no different from any other civil law. Afterall, what are laws aimed at? They are aimed at deterrance and justice, which in turn are aimed at keeping order in society. Obviously, societal norms differ, so there are different laws in Holland from the USA, which are different from Chinese or Egyptian laws, etc. BTW, Islamic laws are meant to evolve and be expanded upon to address modern issues that weren't specifically addressed by the Koran. From this comes a concept that is very, very central in every Muslim's life: it is called "ijtihad", which in our modern day world is usually left up to Islamic scholars to do.
Take me out tonight Where there’s music and there’s people And they’re young and alive Driving in your car I never never want to go home Because I haven’t got one Anymore Take me out tonight Because I want to see people and i Want to see life Driving in your car Oh, please don’t drop me home Because it’s not my home, it’s their Home, and I’m welcome no more And if a double-decker bus Crashes into us To die by your side Is such a heavenly way to die And if a ten-ton truck Kills the both of us To die by your side Well, the pleasure - the privilege is mine Take me out tonight Take me anywhere, I don’t care I don’t care, I don’t care And in the darkened underpass I thought oh god, my chance has come at last (but then a strange fear gripped me and i Just couldn’t ask) Take me out tonight Oh, take me anywhere, I don’t care I don’t care, I don’t care Driving in your car I never never want to go home Because I haven’t got one, da ... Oh, I haven’t got one And if a double-decker bus Crashes into us To die by your side Is such a heavenly way to die And if a ten-ton truck Kills the both of us To die by your side Well, the pleasure - the privilege is mine Oh, there is a light and it never goes out There is a light and it never goes out There is a light and it never goes out There is a light and it never goes out There is a light and it never goes out There is a light and it never goes out There is a light and it never goes out There is a light and it never goes out There is a light and it never goes out
If they live in a society that has Islamic law designated as its civil law, then most likely yes. It is no different from, say, me being a Muslim and living in the USA, and having to abide by USA laws, even if I disagree with some of them. Same thing with that Aussie chic that got caught with drugs and was sentenced under Indonesian laws. It works the same way everywhere. However, in the past, some Muslim-majority states have allowed (and still do in some cases) for non-Muslims to conduct their affairs in state-approved institutions (a duel system if you will). I believe Canada is going to allow for this as well as far as marriage/divorce and inheritance issues to be conducted in state-approved Islamic courts, and Jews have had similar rights as a minority. The Ottomans allowed for this as well in the past.
