tierre_brown, I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with "being yourself" or "celebrating." What I was pointing out what that his immaturity was a sign that his head was not on the whole game (48 minutes) but rather the moment. A "moose sign" here, or "back board slap" there means nothing! It's just a temporary victory. While these things were going on, we were getting scored on at the other end of the court. So, although "showing enthusiasm" might be be a noble emotion. I don't like it at the expense of losing (or lackluster defense). This all just shows where his head is during games. Scoring for ecstasy but forgetting about the win. Concentrating on the "home run" makes you lose sight of the big picture.
Yep. Love that mind-set. "Act like you been there done that..." because it keeps your emotions in check and focused on the real goal (winning the game). Keeping an even keel keeps you focused when BAD things happen too. You don't want to swing from extreme JOY to extreme DESPAIR. That's what I've noticed in immature players. They get sooooo excited about executing ONE play that they jump around all happy (2nd quarter), but lose focus on the rest of the game. Then, when something BAD happens during the game, they get all DOWN and depressed. That's too much of a swing. It's exhausting. That's why keeping an even keel on ones emotions is always best. Celebrate after the game, after you've won. Has the fat lady sung? Yes or no? I remember a few times during the Magic vs Rocket Finals some of the players for the Magic were celibrating before the "fat lady sung." Tisk, tisk... That premature celibrating actually fueled the Rockets to fight back harder!
Excellent point! Don't get me wrong. Stevie does care about winning, but one that he cares the most INSTINCTIVELY is his STATS. After all, it is his STATS that got him the big contract, the shoe deal, the all star status etc., even though the team he led failed miserablly. I don't really have problems with Stevie going one on one or his taking everything upon to himself. But show me the result, show me the win. If you can't accomplish the goals that the team and the fans want, just give it up and move on...
This just isn't true. I don't know that I would buy it, but I would buy more that Steve cared about the spectacular play, but stats? Steve could shoot as many times as Iverson or Kobe, and have those same kinds of stats. If that was what he cared about most that's what he'd do. It wasn't just stats that got him his contract. It was his potential and atheleticism. The teams he led failed. There's no denying that. But to say they failed miserably is a real stretch.
when i saw the title i thought it would be another steve bash thread, but then i saw Macbeth wrote it. so i knew that wasn't true. Macbeth i think this were great posts. But i also think it is more that srevie doesn't trust Yao then it is an ego problem. but i think it is a little bit of both. but more that he doesn't trust him. but i think it is getting better. Steve is a great point guard
I think we're just arguing different points. You're saying that he was having these celebrations because he was flaunting to the world that this was STEVE FRANCIS on display at his greatest. I think that it was just a sign of unity (moosehorns with Cat) and frustration (backboard dunk slaps). He came to a team that was supposed to still be contenders. Early on the backboard slaps may have been the youthful exuberance of just being a rookie. However, with time, I'm sure it was another way to vent his frustrations at losing. Let's not forget that Stevie is an emotional guy: he was in the top 10 (I do believe) in Ts in his first few years. If you watched tonight's game, he made a BEAUTIFUL bounce pass dish to Nachbar on the fast break (How's that for leading a break, all you Stevie haters?!) and another pretty behind the back assist to Yao under the basket for the dunk. After these, did he stand up and celebrate? He went about his way and got back to the other end of the court to TRY and play some defense. Slowly and steadily, Stevie is changing little aspects of his game. He will soon become what JVG wants him to be, and, in turn, will win you back DS. Just my .02.
But see, you are saying, "Ha ha! See, he's not that bad! He can do this, and do that!" But, you are acting like we want him to do bad. That's not the case. We want him to do good! And that's why be bash! Apologist for Francis might say that he just needs time... But the fact of the matter, is that most Francis lovers never saw much wrong with his game in the first place. They just love him for the what he was. Well, that's all warm and fuzzy. But that wont make change. You have to point out the flaws in the game if you see them. That's what sports discussion is all about. Now as far as last nights game. I could not see it. But if he did not celebrate after he scored and got back on D, well GOOD! That's what we wanted all along! If no one pointed it out and complained, he might have still be doing it today...all the while Francis lovers would just be cheering along completely clueless of why we aren't winning.
