The Trevor Ariza potential thread.

Stop talking out of your ass. You have probably watched this guy play 20 times in your life tops and I bet you focused on his development exactly zero times. You don't know what you are talking about.

 

Actually, Augmon's numbers through his first 5 years were pretty similar to Ariza's (next season will be Trevor's sixth).

TS%: Augmon = .544, Ariza = .531
eFG%: Ariza = .491, Augmon = .490
TRB%: Ariza = 11.1, Augmon = 8.3
AST%: Augmon = 11.8, Ariza = 10.0
STL%: Ariza = 3.0, Augmon = 2.4
BLK%: Ariza = 1.0, Augmon = 0.9
TOV%: Augmon = 13.6, Ariza = 13.9
ORtg: Augmon = 109, Ariza = 107
DRtg: Ariza = 104, Augmon = 107

Maybe you'd give the edge to Ariza based on those numbers, but when you consider Augmon had a higher usage rate (20.7 to 17.2), it's probably pretty even.

 

Only thing that separate Ariza from an all-star is a consistent killer jumpshot and the ability to create for others. Let's hope RA can tap out his full potential.

 

Ariza is going to follow Caron Butler path (I'm not saying really playing like him), but shine after getting out of Kobe shawdow.

 

It would be very interesting to see what Trevor can do on the court for us this year.I see the guy has potential but not TMAC or kevin durant type of potential.I watch a lot of laker games and this is whats evident, he like battier is a spot-up shooter and loves to cut from the weak side to score in the paint area and cant create his own shot and cant attack or penetrate off the dribble but since he is still young and has potential i just hope he's working his butt off this summer to add more to his game because thats where you see the potential.Because like MJ,KOBE and TMAC did, they always worked to add something new to their game offensively and Ariza has a lot to work on ;his handles w/c would help him be more creative as an offensive player and his mid-range game has a lot to improve on as well.But if he does come out this season and gives us all-star numbers MAN what a steal we got because we werent the only one who went after Trevor this off season.

 

I was referring to the entire series.

And my point is that Vujacic, while he is a pesky defender, would be torn to shreds by someone who had both Von's athletic ability AND these "dribbling creating skills" that you spoke of. Against such a player, Vujacic would probably foul out in 10 minutes of game time. Instead, he was a very effective option against Von.

Not a good sign, considering one of the skills you see players improve upon the least once they're in the league is ball handling.

 

That separates about half the league from being All-Stars.

 

i agree,he needs to improve on his mid-range game aside from the corner 3's that he's knocked down consistently last season.

But about creating for others?Thats a question mark because the guy cant even create his own shot.He has to improve a ton on his handles where he can be more creative and enhance his ability to penetrate defenses.When that happens he'd become a threat therefore creating good looks for his teamates.

 

Spoiler

 

kobe created all his shots in LA for him. now you're expecting him to create shots for other people? Talk about over-high expectations.

 

Thats what i meant.Are you just trying to rephrase what i said?Well good job coz you said it well using less words.Heres what i said that you quoted.

"But about creating for others?Thats a question mark because the guy cant even create his own shot.He has to improve a ton on his handles where he can be more creative and enhance his ability to penetrate defenses.When that happens he'd become a threat therefore creating good looks for his teamates"

Lastly im not expecting ARIZA to play that kind of role for us.

 

He will be what he has proven to be, a good complimentary player, a part of a good team.

He will never be the Alpha dog, he is not that good of a player.

He is a Shane Battier, a Mario Elie, a Robert Horry type of player, guys who need others to play off of to be successful but who help in many other ways on the floor.

And he is being paid exactly what he should be as a top notch complimentary player.

My question is why do we have two of them? To me, Ariza makes Battier expendable, we need more diversity on this team.....IMO.

DD

 

right on.

yip, The Ariza signing makes Battier expendable.

 

I think given the role he will be better than the players you mentioned above. He has the 'potential' to be get better but he has to work hard and add more weapons to his arsenal.

 

Thanks for the worthless post. Do you talk like this to people in real life?

Next time at least tell me why you think I'm wrong.

 

Please don't lump Elie and Horry in with Battier. If Elie and Horry had gone their entire careers without getting out of the 2nd round, then it might be a fair comparison. But then, if Elie and Horry had gone their entire careers without getting out of the 2nd round, they'd just be a couple of random, mediocre players. People wouldn't even remember them, much less point to them as the prototypical role players.

 

...makes Battier expendable? Some here may think it doesn't matter anymore with the hand the team has been dealt, but the presence, maturity, and leadership that Battier brings to the team and, therefore it's chemistry, is not going to be replaced by Ariza if Battier is traded.

 

Since when was Shane's career over? Mario first got out of the 2nd round of the playoffs when he was 30 years old, the same age Shane is now. Get back to me if they guy retires over the summer.

And neither guy was a mediocre player. And that would be true even if they'd never won a ring. You dishonor both by saying that. They were both championship-level role players, but role players can't win a championship by themselves.

 

Do you honestly think that the Rockets would not win with Shane instead of Elie?

I mean Hakeem was THAT good...

DD