The Trevor Ariza potential thread.

Weird I dont recall a single player cut from 3 different teams go from knucklehead to being a team player.

Can Von create for anyone but himself?


Trevor can create he did at UCLA, albeit that is NCAA and clearly not the same as the NBA but he has never had to create for the lakers. They have Gasol and Kobe, i mean why ask Von to create shots for others if Yao and Tmac are out on the floor? Trevor also played in the triangle system which is all about spacing and creating opportunities for others so it wasnt like he just jacked up shots all the time when he touched the ball. When has Von not done that?

Trevor attacks the rim just as much if not more than Von as well.


(disclosure: being a ucla bruin who attended with there with trevor i am a bit biased for him)

 

When we initially signed Ariza that's where i saw his potential leading to.....Lewis has a higher and quicker shot, which ariza may never match completely, but i think Ariza can have similar accuracy with some tweaks....Lewis isn't great off the dribble, so ariza can match him there, defensively though, Ariza has him beat already.

 

I think Ariza's inability to dribble has been over played, no the guy can't dribble at the same level as McGrady, Kobe, or Pierce, etc...But he is good enough to cut to the basket with his dribbling ability, and plus his major upside lies in his length and athleticism 6'9 with a 7'3 wingspan, and an improving jump shot, a Reggie Miller or Rashard Lewis type of player, except he would slash a lot more(a lot more dunks then Reggie or Rashard) and the jump shot wouldn't be as good.....

 

Worst case scenario for Ariza: In 2 years, when we're ready to compete again, he averages 12 ppg while playing great D like he did with the Lakers, thus earning his mid level money.

Best case scenario: He benefits from this year's injuries and becomes a more prolific scorer to add to his already established defense. Becomes not only a solid role, but a near all star while earning only mid level money!

 

check Trev's stats in Steals, Rebounds, defensive stats..... especially in the playoffs then you know why

He's got a longer wing span than battier and more hops. That alone makes him better than Battier on the offensive end. He is no McGrady but can be a homeless man's version of Tmac in attack mode.

 

Off topic, but if any of you play association mode on 2k9, Ariza turns into a beast.

Back on topic. If what DD says come true of staying with his average, then we got a good deal with the DPE? IF his defense is as good as Battiers or even better being the younger then we got a better deal letting Battier be more expendable.

My feelings? He will shine with no shadow of KB24 and Gasol and no Yao or Tmac. And once Yao returns and who knows what of Tmac, those same shining skills will be there.

We bought a defensive player with the potential of a offensive machine. You cant get mad at the outcome on that. UNless his defense goes southward.

 

He only played 30+ minutes in the playoffs and Finals. He averaged 24 minutes in the regular season, shot 46 percent overall and 50 percent during the playoffs. Excited to see him actually play more than 30 minutes in the regular season.

 

While Ariza will play superb D and put up around 13-14 ppg next season, he'll have his coming out party in Rocket red in '10-'11 playing alongside the likes of a healthy Yao Ming.

Ariza excelled in the Lakers offense last season because Pau Gasol, and of course Kobe Bryant, demanded serious attention from opposing defenses, allowing Ariza to spot-up for three pointers or slash backdoor when his man cheats off on helpside.

Yao will draw a double, which will take pressure off of Ariza, and allow him to play his game. Open threes and cuts to the rim for finishes at the rim.

Now, just imagine if we're able to lure a Chris Bosh/Dwayne Wade to Houston, and add him to the mix.

Brooks will be much more mature two seasons from now, most likely resulting in a decreased turnover rate, which has plagued him early in his career.

Scola will still be Scola. The hard-working force around the rim who can also step out to consistently knock down the mid-range.

'10-'11's going to be our season.

 

Wasn't it Von Wafer that got shut down and taken out of his game for nearly the entire Lakers series because of Sasha Vujacic? Simply put, his "dribbling creating skills" are weak.

 

Tracy McGrady during his early years was far from a scorer. He was known for his hustle and his defense.

Ariza did benefit alot from the system. He did not need to create, he got alot of wide open shots because of Kobe/Gasol. It should be interesting to see how he develops in a different situation. He is still very young. He needs to work hard, develop his offensive game like McGrady did. If he can add more dimensions to that, he can turn into an absolute steal for the MLE.

But as somebody said, if it does not develop, his defense alone makes him a steal at the MLE.

 

Ariza will improve offensively this season because he will have an opportunity to drive the lane since he will be counted on to be a go to guy and not the 4th or 5th option.

 

so was Sun Yue

 

because of his inability to create his own shots, and that because there is no Kobe on the team to draw D teams, he will not get many open jumpers,

he will avg less than 10 ppg​

 

Best Case Scenario: See by sig.

Worst Case Scenario: Career ending injury on his deformed foot.

Middle Case Scenario: Same as last year.

 

True his dribbling skills are not the best, but you need to look at the stats from the entire series and not just one game, Von outplayed Sasha, significantly in that series.

DD

 

John Starks, Mario Elie, there are tons of cases of players cut that finally caught on and found a nitch.

DD

 

The Rockets are gonna run next year, ALOT.....Ariza can thrive in that kind of a system, and where he can cut to the basket

 

I don't think it's fair to say that Von has more "heart" than Trevor. Von wore his emotions on a sleeve, but visible emotion isn't a fair indicator of "heart". Few players as good on defense as Ariza's are lacking in that department. If you watched him much, the guy makes insane hustle plays on D. The same could not be said for Von, unless he saw a dunk opportunity.

 

Only player that comes to mind is Mike Bibby to Sacramento for J. Williams, and hey Rick got a hold of him and did wonders with him...wishful thinking? maybe, but my glass is always half-full when it comes to the Rox