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the trade the rockets are going to make

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by rsl5181, Feb 9, 2003.

  1. London'sBurning

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    I prefer Brand over Grant. I feel atleast he's worth getting a max contract. He's not as big a guy as Grant, but he puts up better numbers then him. Both have similar playing styles, but Brands numbers are just plain better. I also think Brand has a little bit better offensive game then Grant. He has softer hands, a softer touch, and has a little bit of range if I remember correctly.
     
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    Yeah pay our every player max salary and make us over the salary cap every year with no room for changes. Who cares if we become the new NYK.
     
  3. rsl5181

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    by the time we resign ming, the contracts of grant, ellis, taylor, mobley, and griffin will all be up or be nearly up. i know we will probably want to resign griffin, but the chances of griffin turning into a high salary player by the end of his contract are not great, especially with other power forwards on this team.

    either way, you will all see soon.....
     
  4. rsl5181

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    oh yeah, moochies will be up too.
     
  5. CB4ever

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    Les Alexander. I just don't see him paying that much for a role player, however important... although with extra revenue (arena/Yao $$), I think public pressure should exist for the Rockets to enter luxury tax territory to establish and maintain ourselves as contenders.

    http://bbs.clutchcity.net/php3/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33734
     
  6. getsmartnow

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    Do we have a link? Or is this something that someone made up on RealGM.com???


    BTW, I wouldn't be totally opposed to the trade.
     
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    Seriously... link?
     
  8. Ottomaton

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    hee, hee...

    On my top 10 all time movie list.

     
  9. arkoe

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    Val Kilmer was great in that movie.
     
  10. haven

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    Trade makes perfect basketball sense. But like DCkid, I don't see how it works financially.

    My real concern is Griffin. Maybe we could somehow ease under the luxury cap w/2 max contracts and 1 near max w/a bunch of minimums and Mobley (LA is somehow under the tax w/Shaq's gargantuan, way beyond max contract + Bryant's), but it would give us absolutely no flexibility for signing Griffin, or for that matter, any other "surprise" that we might find.

    If we did this, the squad would be "fixed" w/all the significant parts unless you could get rid of Grant later. That might be harder than you think with his cap #. Good PF, but damn... I'm not sure it's worth the risk.
     
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    I didn't know that Jesus posted on these message boards. :rolleyes:
     
  12. rsl5181

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    1. griffin wont be resigned for a big contract. not only will he not have reached his potential by the end of his first contract, but his playing time will not be significant enough to even make it possible for him to do so

    2. Jesus's basketball knowledge was limited to say the least.
     
  13. Baqui99

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    Funny stuff. Anyways, dude, I agree that it would be neat to bring in Brian Grant, but Les won't want to pay an $80 million contract to him.

    On a lighter note, funny story about tonight. I came very close to nailing a fat girl tonight, but came to my senses at the last second. Instead, I will read the BBS, and go to sleep shortly. My friend, however, succumbed to the pressure of no strings attached poontang.
     
  14. rsl5181

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    a wise man once told me that a moped and a fat girl have a lot in common. they are both fun to ride until your friends see you doin it.

    go rockets.
     
  15. Baqui99

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    Very astute words.

    Rockets in 2003.
     
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    Bawaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha! Now that's comedy!
     
  17. WinkFan

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    I think Grant's having to be the backup center would hurt his value to us. He would need to be on the court with Yao as much as possible. Unless the Rockets could come up with another backup center, I don't think Grant is worth the big contract.
     
  18. Sane

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    Horrible decision. Think about it this way:

    Brian Grant makes 11M. Cato makes 6M. You don't think Cato is half of Grant? BTW, Cato is 2 or 3 years younger than Grant. Brian Grant is in his early 30's, nearing his mid 30's. There is no doubt that he will be impossible to unload for the final 3 years of his contract. No one takes a player in their mid 30's who has no offense and makes the MAX.

    Here's a better way to think about it:

    If they take Mo Taylor in the deal, do it. If they don't, then in the summer we keep Cato, while signing either PJ Brown or Tyrone Hill to a 3M or so contract, and we have Cato and either of those two for a combined 9M.

    Money matters. It will affect the quality of our future players.

    BTW, just to be clear, Cato is a better reboudner than Grant, has more size, is a more capable C, and makes half the money while being happy on the bench and a few years younger than Grant.
    I'd only agree to this deal if Miami decided to take Cato, Mo Taylor and Moochie Norris for Laphonso Ellis and Brian Grant.
     
  19. pasox2

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    NO THANKS! Grant is injured every other year. He's hardly better than Cato. He has a huge contract that runs for 4 more years. There are many better options. This scenario has The rox with Grant and Francis Max until Yao qualifies, then Grant bye bye. You loose Eggie for nutin, honey. You can't even trade Eggie and Cat for a playa, cuz you just tied up all your money in Grant. NO NO NO.

    If Miami wants to send an overpaid player this way for some of our contract mistakes - send Eddie Jones. I'll take Jones for Rice/Taylor/Mooch plus. Maybe not even that, if there are just better deals out there.
     
  20. crash5179

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    I just don't see how you could say that?

    1. Bringing in Grant with out trading away either Mo or Eddie creates the exact same problem that we had with Mo, KT and Eddie. Perhaps Grant is better than KT was but you still have the same situation.

    2. I have never been one to cry about salary when building a team but Grant has a very large contract that does not expire until 2007. Mo Tailor’s contract does not expire until 2007. Include the fact that Eddie Griffin is averaging about 2 mil a year thru 2005 himself and we have a substantially large amount of money at the 4 position. Les has already said that he does not intend to put the team into the luxury tax, I just don’t see how he does this deal.

    3. Are the Rockets going to be content with sitting Eddie on the bench for the next couple of years with little or no playing time? Or would they be willing to put Mo T back into mouth balls for the remainder of his career. Or do they try to split the minutes evenly creating a situation of no continuity at all in the PF position.

    4. The Rockets have consistently said that Eddie is the future 4 for this team. Unless they plan on trading him or drastically changing the pace of his development or unless they can trade MoT then I just don’t see how this trade makes since. IMO when you trade for someone like Brian Grant with a contract of his size and length you are saying that he is your starter for the next couple of years.

    5. While Grant might be an upgrade I just don’t see how we get enough bang for the buck to make it worth our while. Brian Grant only marginally improves our team and with the drop off at the 5 spot backing up Yao Ming and the turmoil it is going to create for Rudy at the 4 spot trying to find time for Eddie and MoT, it might even hurt our team more than help.

    6. Kelvin Cato is starting to change his reputation around the league. I know on NBA league pass that all of the opposing announcers are starting to make very strong positive comments about Cato. This tells me that he is no longer a secret commodity around the league. With a league starved with serviceable centers (I mean true big body 7ers) don’t you think someone that can rebound, block shots, run the floor and finish off plays as well as Cato is worth more than Brian Grant? Ben Wallace has made an all-star career out of those exact same qualities. I say if Cato is involved in a trade we should get someone that is going to be a positive part of our team for a long time, not just an over priced care taker for the power forward position until Eddie comes of age?


    BTW, I miss reading your Articles that you used to have on the front page from time to time, are you planing to do anymore? I'm hoping your are because I enjoy reading them just as much if not more than what we get from Fran and the rest of Chronical staff. It's not a knock on them but your articles always seemed to be very well informed and well written.
     
    #40 crash5179, Feb 9, 2003
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