The toppling of Saddam's statue was staged according to U.S. Army

Into the quagmire that will result in Kerry's Election in November.

 

I believe that's now spelled "qWagmire."

 

so...did you really land on the moon???

 

I could easily be wrong, but I think he was suggesting the opposite, ie ( is anything we claim true?)

 

yeh, that's what i meant...i was being somewhat sarcastic at the time...but in all reality, i do think that the news/history in america has been very controlled almost to the point of German propoganda (Goebells sp?). It's very hard for me to believe many of the stories that are claimed while it is also very easy for me to believe that there are many stories intentionally held confidential.

 

What's odd to me is that we have had the media embedded in and with the Army in every major conflict or war since WWII, and this surprises you that it would look staged.

How do you think victory photos in any war get snapped?

Locals?

And is it odd that we'd see tanks and guns protecting a non-combatant vehicle while it pulled down a statue in a country that (to this day, still) was not quite in a peaceful state that day?

I mean come on. This is no cause for alarm that while a literal war is going on, there were tanks and guns protecting the guys who had their backs turned.

Furthermore, the whole '"only 150 people" there arguement is limp too. Of course we do all know, confirmed by Al Jazeera as well, that after this symbolic moment, more people came into the streets all over town.

This photo above, if you'll notice, was taken during the first moments of the episode in question.

I do, and must, say, "Duh."

And... ANY military would be stupid not to fly in supportive nationals to the scene of an uprising. Do you think that uprisings are not organized???

Please. Had there been flown in support for the Tiananmen Square incident, we may have seen different results.....

And before you scream "apples and oranges," the "you must hate America" arguement is not dead, or off base.

If it is propaganda for the sake of democracy, is that really evil? Or do you hate the fact that America dropped leaflets over Japan, Germany, Korea, etc?

Every conflict has controlled media. If you're just waking up to this, then well... You weren't thinking too hard for yourself while looked at those pictures that entertained you through the boring history class you had in 7th - 9th grade were you? Did you never stop and say to yourself, "I wonder if that picture was rigged." Or did you ever ask yourself, "Could that picture have come from some innocent passer by?"

Come on folks. Don't be lulled into a frenzy over something so elementary as a photo op.

That's quite different than a black op. Or even an op without congressional approval.

Something that a recent Democrat President pulled off with consistency.

Even watching it live (the statue toppling) I could see that it was staged... I mean, "Duh!" They waited until all the cameras were on. Fox had it first, then CNN began showing it, then ABC, CBS, NBC and so on... all of them came on live before it was pulled down.

Welcome to the world. Perhaps we haven't met.


btw- to be shocked to find out that this was planned out, or staged, is about as stupid as a republican getting shocked that they had all the cameras on in Pittsburgh to announce that Kerry picked Edwards... I mean come on. In this day and age, if the technology is there, you use it....

Seriously.

SOME liberals: Have we met??

Earth: *shrugs shoulders as if to say, "Um, I thought so."*

CHILDISH

 

That's funny, when I saw this live, I never once thought it was the civilians pulling the statue down... in fact, I remember seeint the vehicle with the cable wench in the shot.

And in fact, the act of it's fall, did cause celebration. Both by those that knew about and those that happened upon it.







Sorry every "politically charged photo or video" can't be as genuine amd spontaneously authentic as the following....











But hey... it can't all be that way.

 

These two are very related issues since your spin, and intent, is to make it seem as the Republican side, and the Bush administration led Army is so evil and deceitful.

Our current President never got up and said, "Hey, look at those civilians in Iraq pulling that statue down all by their lonesome."

Whereas, the Clinton administration helped cover up the scandal they faced, right down to Clinton's bold faced lie, "I did not have sexual relations..." statement....

Not to mention the Clinton admin's bungling of North Korea talks that set up the current hotbed in that country, the denial of the urgency of a threat to the U.S. where terrorism was concerned, and blatant cruise missle attacks on more than one occasion without prior congressional knowledge.

YOu can't have it both ways.


Bush got the Congress to approve the use of force, and got the U.N. to agree that such action was necessary....

The real issue is what's being covered up. And if the truth were known, the Bush Admin is having to cover up just how lame the foreign policies were carried out and dealt with under the Clinton admin so as to not further make us look stupid as a nation.

While the Clinton admin was in bed with interns and high finance realty brokers, campaining for funds from red China and the like.... they then slept on the real issues.

Those issues are being handled by our current leader.

And he swore to handle them to the best of his ability... something you cannot do when you have an intern under your desk.

Again. What is so bad about create positive media and, so be it, propaganda for the spread of democracy in the world.

Nothing is bad about it when you compare that to defaming the once prestigious oval office down to the level of "sexual favors room."

Bush is not making us a laughing stock, he's repair the wall of decency.

IMO there is NOTHING indecent about "staging" the toppling of a statue in the image of a murderous dictator.

 

Honestly, this is one of the funniest things I've read all day. Where to begin?

I'll take back that insult, however, if you can explain, and document:

1. Bush's North Korea policy, what it is (4 years later, I don't know if we have a coherent answer to that question yet), and why it differs from Clinton's and why the results are better (this ought to be great); and

2. what Bush is handling that Clinton didn't (don't say Iraq's WMD programs, those were taken care of by 98, apparently, by many of the "blatant" cruise missile attacks that you now condemn...you can't have it both ways!)

 

This is quite a wild assertion to throw around. The diplomatic avoidance of further nuclear escalation in 1993 when N. Korea discussed withdrawing from the nuclear non-proliferation treaty is hailed as an incredible success story by national security and foreign servants from all recent administrations, both Republican and Democrat.

Read "Going Critical" by Wit, Poneman and Gallucci.

Robert Gallucci, an ambassador at large at the time, led the dipomatic team that secured the Agreed Framework which led to the dismantling of N. Korea's plutonium processing capabilities and avoided a violent North Korean response.

What we accomplished in 1993 is one of the biggest (and least known) diplomatic victories for the safety of the world.

 

"They got it down!"

George W. Bush, as he caught television coverage of a toppled statue of Saddam Hussein. [Washington Post, April 9]

The scene was watched on television by U.S. President George Bush, said White House spokesman Ari Fleischer. Bush called the incident, and the other scenes played out in the streets of Baghdad, an "expression of the power of freedom," Fleischer said. link

According to White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, President Bush watching the statue fall on television, and said, "They got it down."

"The president is filled with joy for the fact that the Iraqi people soon will be free," Fleischer added.

Likening the scenes of Iraqis destroying symbols of Saddam's power to the 1989 fall of the Berlin Wall, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld called it a "very good day" for the Iraqi people. link

 

If it's funny to you... it's no insult, it's your opinion.


1)-
Clinton catered to the N. Korean leadership, gave them funds and basically allowed their nuclear research and developement... they threatened to make S. Korea a "bloodbath of 5 million" and Clinton basically gave them hush money.

Bush has them at least talking of ending it all. The surrounding nations of N. Korea are also holding them to more accountability. Something Clinton should have done instead of just forking over monies. Bush casically just called them to be resonable... instead of handing them a 5 state fiscal budget to keep it quiet.

2)-
Clinton did not (again as in N. Korea) handle his business in the open with Iraq. Perhaps those missle attacks did take out the wmd's, but doing that in secret led to less world-wide respect of our might. If we have to sneak around, well, maybe we're not strong enough to fight like real men do... then more terrorists think we're weak... etc.

Since our congress approved, U.N. approved war in Iraq, other countries have backed off of wmd programs (again N. Korea, and Libya... some phases of it in other countries are following suit.)


Again I guess it is all subject to interpretation, but the main arguement was that our military was being deceitful under the leadership of our President to "stage" a statue's toppling....

Does this really bother people across the board that are for democracy? I think not.

But that's me.

It bothers me more that this is the umpteen-dozenth time that people try to pry deceit out of the blatantly obvious.

Get real..... please. How about the issues?

 

The truth is out there.

 

"They.." = our troops.


Quit trying to read things into it. Really. Are we that desperate??



"..power of freedom..."

"power" = The United States

"freedom" = what we're are trying to grant the captive...

Get patriotic, will ya?


It's like rooting for your favorite team.... "They scored!!"

 

Look at our troops pulling down statues. Look at what our vastly superior military is granting the people of Iraq.

Sorry... I don't think that's what they meant.

Rummy: Likening the scenes of Iraqis destroying symbols of Saddam's power to the 1989 fall of the Berlin Wall, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld called it a "very good day" for the Iraqi people.

When the Army ADMITS that it was was staged... c'mon..