The Topic of Gun Control and How it Relates to Recent Mass Shootings

Regardless of which side one may stand on in regards to gun laws...

Guns werent invented yesterday...The firearm was made a long long time ago, but never in historical documents has the firearm in as much self mutiny as it has in the last 30-40 years...

The real issue isnt about gun regulation or lack of regulations, but why the weapons is turned on one another in the first place...and once again, as i have mentioned above...its a lack of the family unit...the lack of a child knowing things about his father/mother....and the lack of a father/mother knowing things about their child

 

I wouldn't say for sure if it's the lack of family unit or knowing father/mother, I mean would you say the same thing about Charles Manson or Ted Bundy???? The reason they're this way is the lack of family values?

 

Again, you are wrong...

Pew, CBS, CNN...
http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm

HuffPost/YouGov
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/gun-control-laws-sandy-hook-poll_n_2309324.html

And I believe *this* horrific event will be a bellwether... and there will be action.

 

Yes, there will be action. Unfortunately, it will be completely ineffective.

 

What i am stating is that violent acts like this across all races and communities arent caused per se due to the actual weapon, but the person behind the weapon. The focus shouldnt be on the weapon, but people carrying these weapons...

In a previous post, I mentioned that the family unit was much more intact around the early/mid 20th century...but somewhere along the lines, the family unit gained less integrity and more instability. Parents stopped worrying about what their teenager was doing in his room all alone. Kids often times have built up resentment and anger, but dont have the appropriate parent to turn to.

Its funny you mention the Mansons, but what about their parents:

as per wiki:
Childhood
Born to an unmarried 16-year-old named Kathleen Maddox (1918–1973),[7] in Cincinnati General Hospital, Ohio, Manson was first named "no name Maddox."[2]:136–7[8][9] Within weeks, he was Charles Milles Maddox.[2]:136–7[10][11] For a period after his birth, his mother was married to a laborer named William Manson (1910-?),[11] whose last name the boy was given. His biological father appears to have been Colonel Walker Scott (May 11, 1910– December 30, 1954)[12] against whom Kathleen Maddox filed a bastardy suit that resulted in an agreed judgment in 1937.[2]:136–7 Possibly, Charles Manson never really knew his biological father.[2]:136–7[9]
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So you see the Family unit is broken...somewhere some how...What i am advocating is a return back to family integrity...back to teaching morals, back to instilling proper values...Making sure a father is a dad for his son...and a son isnt fearful of his father...Making sure a community watches over kids without this integral unit for life...these are things we need to do...not bicker about whether guns should or shouldnt be allowed in society...bc there is no right answer...both sides will always believe they are right!

 

Um, that's the holistic view of course but the problem is with guns readily available to be bought or stolen,it's much easier to restrict the existence of the guns through sale and manufacture than it is to give everyone a mommy and daddy that loves them and properly assess the mental gealth of 300 million Americans. The pro gun crowd isn't interested in stopping people from getting killed as much as theyre interested in someone returning fire after someone is killed. It's a Wild West gung ho BS think with your balls argument and its time to join the 21st century.

 

Oh please.

Decline of society rabble rabble.





yeah, the circa 1650-1900 death of the family unit is really killing America.

Oh yeah, and immigrants.

Reminds me of people who think of some rosy idyllic past, not one where homicides occurred a shockingly large amount of time i.e the truth.

Like Mad Men syndrome.

"man, the 50s would have been so awesome."
"...Jason, you're black."

 

I believe it is time to amend the second amendment:

AMENDMENT II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed; except for Spvernaut, who should not be allowed to keep nor bear arms.

 

If only the highway itself was armed to the teeth with guns, it could have taken him out. It takes good highways to kill bad guys. Or if only every motorist had a hood-mounted semi-automatic turret with controls mounted on the steering wheel... this tragedy would never have happened.

 

Neocon cums.

 

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Since when did it become a bad word? Its an instrument designed to kill...

 

Guns don't kill people, but they sure as hell make it easier.

 

Completely ineffective? Measured how?

I have a hunch the minimum results will be a re-implementation of the assault weapon ban, refined definition so as to include more guns on the list, additional coverage to include high capacity magazines and perhaps even removable magazines, and closing of the gun show loophole.

I also hope a more comprehensive approach is taken that addresses mental health care, along with stricter punishment for the use of guns in crimes.

Sure, there will still be shootings, but that can't be the sole measure of whether these actions are successful or not, because you won't know how many crimes were prevented. But even if only one shooting was prevented...

 

It may not make a difference in the most extreme cases, but it certainly makes a difference in the vast majority of cases as our own government studies show.

I wasn't wrong. Current polls are skewed up to 8 points due to this tragedy. They will normalize as people go about living their lives again. Just as they did in the late 1990s after Columbine.

See the HISTORY of the Gallup poll, they don't change overnight. And excuse me if I don't take a poll of 500 viewers or readers as seriously as the company that has been taking unbiased polls since 1935.

Again, you are using a single data set and calling it fact. That's not how polls or science works my friend. Keep trying though!

So you are trumping a government study with a few pretty graphs? LOL! It is proven fact that dead beat dads play a huge roll in the psychology of sons. The drop in crime has been steady since the 1970s, and is directly attributable to the continued increase in police funding.

Again, you have a knack for pulling a single data point and making a case from that.

 

Sorry, I was assuming that someone who pulls zero data points might want to start slow with one. Can you prove that the incidence of deadbeat dads leads to more violent crime/general decline in society, given your correlation is all wrong? Use some data, please do not just deal in vague statements with no evidence.

The crime drop is actually directly attributable to a number of factors, not that someone who thinks one data point is too simplistic would ever attribute it to one single factor.

http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/DonohueLevittTheImpactOfLegalized2001.pdf

Decline of society indeed. We need to go back to 1600s Puritan values, when murder was about as 4 times more common (with swords and old-school rifles, no less).

 

We need to solve the problems with people. Taking things away from responsible citizens based on misplaced fear should not be what this country as a whole is about.

 

What is there to solve?

The dissolution of the family unit?

Violent video games?

Violent movies?

People are getting better as the years go by. Violent crime is at historic lows. Each generation is more and more intelligent (see: Flynn effect).

It's just about making sure the isolated can't get access to weapons, and can get access to mental health-care. How exactly to go about doing this should be the bone of contention, and not "fixing" people.

 

California has the fourth highest rate of gun homicide in the United States. Turns out you don't really need more than ten rounds in most homicides and high capacity magazines are readily available anyway. The bullet button slows down reloading a bit, but certainly doesn't require a key, and can be removed without too much of a hassle. Also, because the gun laws are written by people who admittedly know very little about guns, some semi-auto rifles do not require a bullet button (like the M1A or the Ruger Mini-14).
This you don't need a bullet button for:

This you do:

Same manufacturer, same action, same caliber, but one of them has a thumbhole stock/pistol grip so it is an "assault weapon" if it has a detachable magazine.

 

What "things" are being taken away from the "responsible" people?