The Topic of Gun Control and How it Relates to Recent Mass Shootings

He's going to lose.

 

The NRA president is proposing having former US Congressman Asa Hutchinson to develop a school shield safety plan that will included working with police, improved security, building design and information technology. I agree with some of those points and have even proposed in architecture circles that we look at how building design can help with addressing mass shootings.

All of that said I am going to wait to see how much they follow through with this or if this is a distraction from other measures.

 

Yeah, really really bad call on his part. If he wants to stoke the silent majority of soccer moms around the nation, he just did it. My facebook feed is pretty ugly with female anger nationwide.

I think people were ready for a slightly different tone from them.

And by the way, gun lobbyists are the last people in line for designing safer schools. Just go back to your gun-filled dungeon already. Blech.

 

So you're still at 220 million illegal firearms outnumbering the 80 million legal gun owners... If you change nothing, you're still outnumbered by illegal gun owners, no???? Unless, gun sales go up soon in the upcoming years I'd still say we're still getting outnumbered by criminals, so????

 

I'm suggesting it. We need police on every street corner to prevent this from ever happening again! Using automobiles, and heavy equipment, and so on are legal privilages of the state, and they are granted because the great people who govern us understand that these items are used to build our glorious civilization. Guns have no purpose besides killing. Therefore, people should have no privilage granted by the state for their use (except for police who use them to protect us). People have such a negative connotation of a "police state", but it is exactly what we need. We need to be protected by a force that is created for good.

 

i misunderstood you entirely. sorry.

 

I'm not sure what I think about this subject yet, and I'm reserving judgment.

But, I do know that all the arguments in favor of either reducing limitations on guns or maintaining the status quo are incredibly poorly constructed. They're all irrational arguments that use logical fallacies in an attempt to make valid points.

As I mentioned earlier, if you have no solid rational reasons for your belief, why not just say that? Call it faith, or tradition, or morality, or whatever. Because it's not logical.

 

The answer is obvious.

 

Are you saying that all of the arguments made in this thread are logical fallacies.

 

Yeah, the preemption based on a small chance of potential danger on an individual basis and the weight of the individual right guaranteed in the constitution. That, I think is a much more forceful argument for anti-gun control.

My response would be the more dangerous an activity is the more regulated that activity is and the less rights we can ask for that right. For example,Chemicals, organisms for making bio weapons are heavily regulated. There are very individual rights in freely pleasing those items. The facts and stats, particularly, the incident in sandy hook elementry, have amounted to at least warrant a stricter control on assault weapons at this point of time. It will be sacrifice of some individual's right, but that is a necessary sacrifice a responsible citize ought to be proud of making.

 

I don't know about. But I will say this, as with all prospective policy, economic measures, the effects of stricter gun regulations will not be seen until they are put in the context. One tactic for the anti-gun control crowd has been arguing it will not work and running wild showing you why gun controls

 

... Showing you gun controls in other contexts didn't work and therefor it would not work in this context at issue. While their conclusions are willy-nilly, they also accuse pro gun control folks of being not able to refute their willy-nilly conclusion.

 

Brilliantly put.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Tim_in_Tucson/nra-press-conference_n_2346382_215607673.html

Any society where teachers have to pack heat for fear of being massacred by a random gunman is a FAILED SOCIETY. Period.

I don't think there is a rational person in this world who would argue that Nigeria is a safer country than the USA by any measure. But at least parents in Nigeria can send their kids to school without a reasonable fear of them coming back home in bodybags.

This is pure insanity. Insanity.

 

Stricter laws aren't going to stop bad guys from getting guns only make it a little harder therefore there's no reason to try.

That's the NRA Logic.

 

Excellent point!

 

Of course, the say that. This is one of black and white arguments that should be obvious to my 6 year old. I don't believe for a second that they are in a good faith in saying that. It's a tactic. A line of defense. They are putting on a fight. I think they are on the wrong side of the history this time.

 

If by harping on the 2nd amendment you're damn right I harp on it, considering it is a right afforded to me by the Constitution which has been earned and defended by tens of millions of brave souls.

What do you have to "harp" on about? You feel you know what is best for 320 million people. Sorry, but I believe the people who wrote a document that has lead the most powerful nation in the history of the world for more than 225 years might know just a tad more than you. A document I might add that has only been amended 27 times.

Yeah, you're clearly more equipped than me... so when are you running for county judge and moving on to your new profession as a constitutional scholar?

 

Once again if you read the Federalist Papers you will see that the purpose of the 2nd Amendment was mostly for the states to provide for their own and collective security. Those who wrote the Constitution were fine with crushing armed citizens during the Shay's and Whiskey rebellions.

 

Does anybody else find it hypocritical that while Wayne LaPierre criticized the President for cutting spending on school security measures and proposes an expensive package to improve school security that many of the candidates the NRA gives money to are ones who are arguing for addressing the fiscal cliff with more spending cuts?

 

I just gave more money to the NRA. So proud to be part of this organization. Proud member. Completely agree on the stance at confronting actual threats..not misplaced fear.