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[The Times]Jesus 'denied he was son of God'

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Ubiquitin, Apr 9, 2006.

  1. RocketMan Tex

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    Not unbelievable, when you consider the type of people who listen to 1070 and live in that part of town.

    They're called ingnorant redneck hicks. They are the feral hogs of that part of Houston.
     
  2. Deckard

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    There were always those who could read and write, since early recorded history (obviously). Their numbers fluctuated depending on disruptions caused by invasions, disasters, and the like, and with how valued they were by society and those in power. There were libraries with thousands and thousands of manuscripts, with scribes to copy them, and a staff to provide what was asked for by those with the authority to ask. (the one at Alexandria being the most famous) Messages were sent, letters were exchanged. The idea that this era was bereft of letters and people writing with them is, in my opinion, ridiculous. The Prophet may have been illiterate, I haven't a clue, but I also have no doubt that, had he desired it, he could have had someone do his writing for him, as any other prominent ruler could manage at the time, and many not so prominent. It wouldn't surprise me if Jesus could, although it would have been unusual of someone from his background. (putting aside the "son of God" part)

    In my opinion, of course.



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  3. Cesar^Geronimo

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    Besides the other examples mentioned above Jesus often taught in the temples and read from the scrolls
     
  4. Deckard

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    If he went to temple schools, then he could easily have learned the skill, without using the other attributes he is supposed to have possessed.



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  5. xlr817

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    This is my opinion & I don't think it's stupid. And I didn't attack anyone, I just stated to everyone that to be respectful during Palm Sunday, an important time for Roman Catholics. And about PMS, it takes one to know one.
     
  6. Texas Stoke

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    Guys like him? Wow. Things are really backwards in this forum.
     
  7. Texas Stoke

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    Your perception is perverted as a muslim so whatever you say or think on this subject is not without bias and an underlying motive.
     
  8. No Worries

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    Please cite examples for us the unwashed masses.

    BTW, most Jews were illiterate at the beginning of CE. Those that were literate were likely taught in temple schools, as Deckard has noted. I think that this was the case for Paul. IIRC as far as we know, Jesus did not have a formal temple education.

    Let's talk about the 800 lb gorilla in the room. If Jesus was literate and did write lettters and such, these would have been cherished and preserved by the early church in the same way the letters of Paul were preserved.
     
  9. Zboy

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    Judging form the muslims I know, and the books i have read, you would be surprised how much respect Muslims show Jesus.

    Also, someone correct me if I am wrong but, isnt mary mentioned more times in Koran than anyone else? I was told there is one chapter deidcated to her.

    You will have to explain to me how his is view is "perverted as a muslim".
     
  10. G.O.A.T.

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    and Vince Young too.
     
  11. bigtexxx

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    LOL - that much we're certain about! :D
     
  12. Cesar^Geronimo

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    Luke 4:17-20 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

    John 8:8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

    I really don't care if Jesus was literate or not it just seems like he was. Someone could be literate but not leave behind writings.
     
  13. losttexan

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    Jesus was a rabbi. He probably would have been literate.

    Muslims hold Jesus in very high regard. In fact they believe that he was a prophet of God just like Muhammad. The difference is that they believe that since Muhammad's revelations were written down by followers who actually heard Muhammad speak, unlike the gospels in the New Testament, there was no time for the message to have been distorted.
     
  14. thadeus

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    Q: What's the difference between Jesus and a picture of Jesus?

    A: It only takes one nail to hang up the picture.
     
  15. CreepyFloyd

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    good point, i forget about that, but as you also mentioned, the society was an oral one
     
  16. CreepyFloyd

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    The "perverted as a muslim" comment was just ignorant

    I'm not an expert on the Quran, but I think Jesus is the most quoted Prophet in the Quran and Mary is mentioned a lot as well
     
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    Jesus, Moses, and Abraham are the most mentioned prophets in the Koran...you're correct.
     
  18. AMS

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    well in the quran you have the seerah (the history/stories) of the other prophets , and in the hadith you have the stories of mohammad (pbuh).

    and that is probably why the other prophets are mentioned more than mohammad himself.
     
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    how would one know that it is palm sunday? I for one had no clue, now if you had respectfully put forward that it is palm sunday and that it would be nice not to talk like this about jesus, then you would have any sort of credibility. but when you try to put down another religion just because somoene may have accidently posted this on palm sunday, then you sir have problems...
     
  20. AMS

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    As far as I know, most of the prophets letters and treaties and such were written down by other followers, and the prophet pbuh used to dictate them.

    some of the earliest writings of quran were on leaves and were read by the 2nd caliph omar before he had converted. so infact, there were many literate people at the time.
     

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