I have been a big fan a Carr. He is a good person and has a strong arm. But he does not have what it takes. He will never be a winning QB, he just does not have "it". The D-Line is getting old, LBs need more depth as does the defensive backs. But we are still a very young franchise going into only 4th year in the NFL. Changes are still needed. The Texans should tank the season. Yea I said it, tank the season. Draft Matt Leinart, who imo might be better than Payton Manning. Trade Carr for picks, solidify the defense with the extra picks. If the Texans can trade Payne, Walker etc. for pick, they should do so. They need more atheltes and should draft as many as they can. Reggie Bush would be a great pick up, he looks just like a young Faulk. If they could trade Carr for a high pick and get Bush they should jump on it. Anyone one else think they should restart?
As long as we stick to the current OL, there will always be that excuse for Carr sympathizers. I cannot believe we still have that OL, I thought Casserly put a premium on OL positions. (Yes I know we tried to get Orlando Pace in the offseason but what about the rest of the line?)
MadMax is a genius. Houston sports fans are the worst. Can we at least wait until the ****ing season to start before we label this team? Thanks.
What quarterbacks have won the last few Super Bowls? Tom Brady, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer. How many has Peyton Manning won? 0! (And I'm a big Colts fan). I was one of the first to jump off of the Carr bandwagon a couple of years ago. He will never be a superstar in the mold of Manning, Culpepper, etc. Those of you still clinging to this hope are beyond reach and you are in the minority. That fact is you don't need a superstar QB to win Super Bowls. You need a QB who plays well in big games and doesn't make mistakes in the 4th quarter. In this regard, the jury is still out on David Carr. I think he has enough ability to lead this team to the promised land in a couple of years. Our problem is the O-line and our front seven on defense. These two areas will prevent the Texans from taking the next step, not David Carr. I like Casserly a lot but still haven't figured out how we did so little in addressing these two areas of need. With that all said, I'm assuming what happened the last 2 preseason games was a fluke. I believe Carr will get his act together and this year will be his best. It's way too early to give up on him and chase some pipe dream of drafting Matt Lienart or Reggie Bush.
Carr has proven time and time again that he doesn't have what it takes. You can not blame it on the O-Line. Carr can not even hit WR's on basic routes. And to respond to the post above, I'm not saying Matt Leinart will put the Texans in the Super Bowl. Like you said Manning hasn't even done it....yet. But Matt Leinart will give us a QB that can hit his receivers. Matt Leinart looks so natural and can remain calm even when rushed. Carr panics and is a whinner. He blames his teamates for his failers, maybe he doesn't say it, but you can see it in his face durning the games.
If we are as bad off as you say, we won't need to tank the season, our record will just reflect how bad we are. I think this team will suprise you guys. I expect this team to take a step forward, playoffs or right outside them.
I love it when people proclaim their predictions as fact, especially, before 1 regular season game has been played.
My predictions is not based on preseason, it is base on 3 years of poor QB play by Carr. Banks is nothing better than a back up QB on anyteam. Banks plays the QB position better than Carr does. He hits his recievers and does not freak out under pressure like Carr does. My prediction is based on three bad seasons of poor coachind and 3 poor seasons of drafting talent. Davis, Johnson and Roberson where good pick though.
I'll go with these guy's opinions over your's. http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=100881 I love the optimism shown by our fans though. It's quite refreshing.
David Carr doesn't have the protection to look for his 2nd and 3rd options, it's either hit Johnson or dump off to Davis. Still, that being said from what I've seen he will never be a great NFL QB, but he isn't that bad, certainly better than Tony Banks. Give him some "time" and he might surprise.
I won't place all the blame on Carr, but the team as a whole right now won't cut it. Chris Palmer's play calling, no # 2 receiver, David Carr's progress, and OL. Same story different year. The defense this year basically has done addition by subtraction, good veterans are gone and replaced by unproven players or rookies. We all heard it, we all heard the plans of management fooling us by saying year 4 is the year to judge the team...whatever! I know the season has not even started yet and we might be suprised, but a team with a chance of finishing 8-8 on the season looses on the final day at home to freakin CLEVELAND won't get my hopes up again easily.
I think its a lil bit of both. The O-Line is shaky at times but sometimes Carr makes some stupid plays for a guy thats been in the league 4yrs. I know its preseason but he looked like a rookie QB against the Bucs. He had time but still tried to force the ball when the wideout had 3 defenders covering him.
The O-Line has looked decent this year in pre-season. David Carr has not. I put alot of the blame on the coaches. The first team did not get enough reps in. I understand that you dont want to show the good stuff until the regular season, but we were unable to execute the basic stuff in pre-season. Any decent football coach will tell you, YOU PLAY HOW YOU PRACTICE. That being said Texans go 6-10 this year if David Carr struggles. People forget the basics of Football, Teams will blitz if they know your QB will panick. Teams will put 8 in the Box if they know your QB cant handle it. It is not all on the O-line D.Carr has to do his part too. Make plays, and justify being the highest paid player on the team.
So far Carr is the Archie Manning of his generation-- running for his life. The Colts have sacrificed defense for offense for the first five years of Payton's career. It's a little bit tilted.
*yawn* Quarterbacks usually don't even come close to their peak until their fifth and sixth years. They aren't even remotely decent until their third season (in most cases). Aside from the normal development curve, Carr has had to deal with an expansion franchise, a horrible offensive line, no secondary receivers and no pass-catching tight end... and he was still in the top-half of the league in QB rating last year, only his third season. That's incredible. And not only that, his metrics (see RM95's link) were ahead of his most prominent statistics... he's doing an incredible job given the circumstances and given his short time in the league. Given his statistical improvement from year to year, his performance metrics and the supporting cast's improvement (they will get better as the years' progress), the odds look pretty good that he's going to be a Pro Bowl quarterback sometime in the near future. I'm more optimistic about his chances to be a superstar now than I was three years ago. Those of you who act like it's a lock that he can't do anything are the ones beyond reach... that sounds like some kind of bias. apostolic said he realized that two years ago... it's pretty hard to tell whether someone's a superstar or if they have "it" within their first couple of years. I have my doubts y'all were predicting greatness for Troy Aikman after his first two seasons. Regarding Carr not hitting receivers, well, if he's completing more than 60 percent of his passes, that seems like he's hitting them well enough for me. Football's a great sport to watch, but threads like these make me hate analyzing it. Aside from its quarterback, the Texans have no offensive line, no secondary receivers and no tight end that can catch. They also have one of the bottom tier offensive coordinators. Aside from its quarterback, USC has arguably the most talented team in the history of college football. They are loaded with depth and talent at every position and had probably the best offensive coordinator the game has seen in recent years. Yet, somehow, instead of looking at the whole picture, some people have to simplify it into "Leinart wins" and "Carr loses." Somehow, I'm guessing the records might be similar if Carr is in the USC offense and Leinart on the Texans. Quarterbacks don't win and lose games... teams do. But, it's a lot easier to put the blame on one player (especially a popular one) than accept the fact that the organization as a whole has problems, so we get this simplistic analysis of "winners" and "losers" and ignore all the complex factors that influence a quarterback's development. When you actually look at them, I'd bet good money that 10 years down the line, we're going to be looking at Carr as a very good to great quarterback, and likely better than Leinart.
