I think this is the fairest take you can have. Dude has special skills as a QB, Brees-esque. But to sit there and act like his size isn’t a concern is just wrong.
Right. Everything you hear about the way he processes the game, reads the defense, goes through his progressions, throws with anticipation, makes off script plays, etc. etc. is so exciting. I want to gamble on that. But the idea that "nobody can even say what the issue with his size is lol" is ridiculous. The concern is clearly expressed. His slight of build. He knows it and is working with a nutritionist to pack on lbs and weight over 200 when he officially weighs in. Also, no, SEC players are not the same size as NFL players. They're not as big and strong because they aren't fully grown men yet. I'd still risk it because the upside of an elite QB is so franchise changing.
The transition is complete........ Cal McNair has transitioned into John McClain I am supportive of trans rights, so I think we should all be understanding if Cal wants to be called John now. I hear his wife is now calling him "pancakes" and he has never been happier.
You and I are officially old..... the game has REALLY changed a lot. Bryce wouldn't be an NFL QB 25-30 years ago because he would have been broken in half. The league now REALLY protects quarterbacks, and it is understandable.... part of it is to keep their highest profile players on the field, and part of it is the league doesn't want a bunch of vegetables at 50 because it looks bad and brings lawsuits. I am not an expert, especially when it comes to quarterbacks, I know less than others. I have watched Young and Stroud and liked Stroud as much as Young..... but if Young is better, the Texans should take him - the league is only going to keep finding ways to increasingly protect quarterbacks..... while Brady playing until 46 is impressive, that is in part because the league protects their bread and butter.
The league protects them more than in the past, but they are still constantly taking big hits and getting hurt -- probably 20+ QBs had injuries serious enough to miss multiple games last season.
Roll the dice. If he busts, if he gets hurt, all the kick-the-can-wait-til-next-year folks will be happy, they’ll suck and have another top pick. Spoiler Set back “for years”/“forever? No. Were the Jaguars set back years by Bortles? Bucs by Jameis? Titans by Marriota? Bears by Trubisky? Browns by Baker? Jets by Darnold? Cardinals by Rosen? Jets by Wilson? 49ers by Lance? Jaguars took Bortles (3rd/2014) and Lawrence(1st/2021). Rams took Goff(1st/2016) and traded for Stafford in 2021. Eagles took Wentz(2nd/2016) and Hurts(53rd/2020). Bears took Trubisky(2nd/2017) and Field(11th/2021). Browns took Baker(1st/2018) and traded for Deshaun in 2022. … OK, not as big a gap (in years). Jets took Darnold(3rd/2018) and Wilson(2nd/2021). Cardinals took Rosen(10th/2018) and Murray(1st/2019) Agree with @red5rocket …worst thing you can do is hold on because “Top 3 pick! We better hold on to him!” If they are in position again next year, nothing will prevent them from drafting a QB other than pride (or perhaps “embarrassment”). WR is a popular mock at 12/33. Maybe build the OL. Tunsil | (Hope) Green (Improves) | C | G | Howard? Dane Brugler’s Top 100 4. Peter Skoronski, OT/G, Northwestern (6-4, 305) Regardless of the position he plays, Peter Skoronski is a technician and master of the details with impressive footwork, processing and strength. I hope he gets the chance to stay outside at tackle in the NFL, but his ceiling is likely highest at guard. 9. Paris Johnson Jr., OT, Ohio State (6-7, 308) A fluid big man, Paris Johnson Jr. is quick out of his stance, with the movement skills to mirror pass rushers around the arc or show off his pulling range in the run game. Johnson needs to show better control at the top of the rush, but his issues are fixable and scouts speak highly of his football character. 12. Broderick Jones, OT, Georgia (6-4, 315) With his above-average movement skills, Broderick Jones is considered OT1 in this class by several NFL teams. He is agile with his feet and has quick-strike hands that keep his frame square to rushers. Jones comes close to losing his balance more often than you’d like to see, but there is no doubting his natural talent. 28. O’Cyrus Torrence, G, Florida (6-5, 337) Considered a potential first-round pick last year, O’Cyrus Torrence didn’t necessarily need to transfer to Florida. He wanted to prove himself against SEC competition, though, and that is exactly what he did with an impressive 2022 season. Torrence has the play strength and competitive appetite to be a plug-and-play starting guard. 37. Darnell Wright, OT, Tennessee (6-5, 342) An undraftable prospect a year ago, Darnell Wright flipped the script as a senior by moving to right tackle and producing impressive tape (including a standout performance against Will Anderson Jr.). He will get himself in trouble when he sacrifices technique for his nasty play style, but he blocks with extraordinary power and torque and stays square in pass protection. 39. Cody Mauch, G/C, North Dakota State (6-5, 305) A former walk-on tight end, Cody Mauch made a successful transition to offensive tackle, although he projects best as a guard or center at the next level. Similar in ways to Mitch Morse (No. 49 pick, 2015) out of college, Mauch doesn’t have elite length or sand in his lower body, but his movement skills and innate competitiveness will make him an NFL starter early. 41. Steve Avila, G/C, TCU (6-3, 332) The unsung hero of a TCU squad that advanced to the national championship, Steve Avila is a wide-bodied blocker and pulls rushers into his tractor beam with his ability to engulf at the point of attack. He needs added consistency to access his explosive power, but he has a strong base and legitimate position flexibility at guard or center. 43. Joe Tippmann, G/C, Wisconsin (6-6, 315) For a taller blocker, Joe Tippman moves with the flexibility and quickness to stay low at the snap. He will get in trouble, at times, when he loses his balance and ends up on the ground, but he plays with power and physical hands to anchor in pass pro or create movement as a run blocker. 50. John Michael Schmitz, C, Minnesota (6-3, 306) Although his 2022 film was more up and down than you’d like to see, John Michael Schmitz’s highs are impressive and his Senior Bowl performance was a reminder of the type of ass-kicker he can be. There aren’t many starting-caliber centers in this draft class. Schmitz is one of them, so supply and demand could push him up even higher. 52. Dawand Jones, OT, Ohio State (6-8, 375) 63. Anton Harrison, OT, Oklahoma (6-6, 310) 65. Matthew Bergeron, OT/G, Syracuse (6-5, 323) 69. Wanya Morris, OT, Oklahoma (6-5, 317) 81. McClendon Curtis, OT/G, Chattanooga (6-6, 331) 84. Jaelyn Duncan, OT, Maryland (6-6, 298) 95. Braeden Daniels, OT/G, Utah (6-4, 291)
You and others may very well have concerns about his frame. But my point is that if he were somehow to measure at 6'0, no one would say he's too risky for the top-5. He'd be considered a generational prospect. If he had a larger frame and was 215, people would still scream about his height. All I'm saying is that if a guy is an elite baller, don't let the size sway you away from treating him as such. We literally have a QB on the roster right now that has stereotypical frame, height, and a good arm, hasn't missed any games due to injury, yet we ALL agree we need a new QB. There seems to be more to being a good QB than having size and a good frame.
The DARLING of the NFL Tom Brady was hit 55 times last year and pressured 100 times. Nobody has been protected by referees more than him. A rookie QB will not be earning that level of respect. Davis Mills was hit 59 times and pressured 124 times for reference. A smallish QB taking that type of punishment is not long for the NFL in my opinion especially if you're thinking he's going to last a decade or more as the franchise guy.
I hope the heck not. Waste of resources to trade up 1 spot.... I think Indy is trying to psych us out. Then again, CAR and LVR may make a play for 1st overall. I am on the ARich train tho....
The thing that makes me think you are right is he was adamant a few weeks ago that the Texans wouldn't need to trade up because no shot the Colts would give up what it took to get Bryce Young because of his size. Now he has obviously heard stuff that makes him think differently.
If Bryce Young is the guy, and your scouts are convinced he's generational, you do what you need to in order to secure him. It stings so bad because you wouldn't be in this position if you had lost the last game, but I understand. I was mad about that at the time, but honestly, you can't tell your OLine not to block, your WRs not to catch, your QB not to throw, your defenders not to tackle, etc. They were a scrub team playing another scrub team and they got outscrubbed.
Maybe - maybe not. We have been and still are moving towards making the game less physical and violent. There are many reasons for it, but it is the reality. 25 years ago, Aaron Rodgers would be retired...... Brady would have been finished 6-7 years ago or longer..... QB's were hit often and hit hard.... they are hit hard a fraction of the time now. I am not even concerned about Young's height. Prescott, Garoppolo, Watson, Rodgers, Jackson, Mahomes are 6'2" Hurts, Mayfield, Purdy, Tua are 6'1" Russell Wilson is 5'11" Kyler Murray is 5'10" Young is going to measure around 5'10" to 6'0" Quarterbacks are in general getting shorter because they typically move around more now, the rules have changed and the offenses ran have changed. I really don't care that Young is the same height as Wilson and Murray - they have proven that QB's that height can play and do well. My concern is actually his frame.
Yeah, there were things they could have and should have done. They could have sat guys out for example. Having said that, yeah I think you trade up to get him if he is special. Problem is that the cost will probably be very high with teams like the Colts interested........ we will at least lose that pick from Watson.
Maybe not. But then again, Levis took 38 sacks and had 72 rushing attempts this past season. Had a number of injuries as a result. Just don’t get the logic that the additional concerns only apply to one player when they’ll all be subject I more games. Fun fact: Bryce took 39 sacks and had 81 rushing attempts his Heisman year.
I don't think it would cost 12 TBH but I don't know. That's a bigger value than anything the Colts are able to offer. Jump from 1 to 2 shouldn't be as bad. I think a big thing for the Bears needs to be staying in the top 3 to guarantee the Dlineman they want, because if I'm the Texans and the Colts jump me to 1 I'm either taking the D player or I'm trading to someone who wants them.
