You called them liars. I said it was weird. Of course, the civil lawyer (MadMax?) on the BBS told me that it's quite common in civil courts for both sides to believe they are telling the truth and disagree. The pilots lost in civil court. It's sort of like that Iraq - Al Qaeda thing, except Iraq didn't defend itself so Iraq lost almost automatically.
Please!! You intimated that the pilots were lying- tell the truth. By the way, the case is under appeal, so the outcome is yet to be determined.
I find it very entertaining that you choose to change my words to attempt to make me argue against myself. Besides, it's not nearly as important as North Korean photon torpedoes... At least we have not resorted to direct name calling as some other threads have degenerated, so that's good.
The bombing is the type of thing that is oh so predictable given Dubya's ignorant policy toward terrorism and occupation of Iraq.which is oriented more toward gaining short term poltical advantage on the homefront, helping Ashcroft types run roughshod over our rights and putting bucks into the hands of Daddy's Carlyle Group and other political cronies. I know lets kill all the AArabs and take over Saudi Arabia, too, will be the answer of the Rumsfeld clones. I'm sure glad my sister and brother in law have come home from a several year stint working in Riyadh. I talked several weeks ago to an IT professional home on leave from Saudi. Unfortunately given the market he decided to go back to Saudi to keep his good job. That IT guy was furious at the US Iraqi war policiy that he said was going to make him and all the Americans, even those who had worked for many years well with Saudis, hated and in danger.. Where is Dubya, Rumsfeld, Treeman and the rest of the warriors? We should count the Americans killed in this attack when we tally the number of Americans killed in the Iraq War.
They want us out of their country so as we begin pulling out they bomb us, makes no sense. I've been able to watch one thats 1 program describing in depth what life is like in Saudi Arabia (I believe it was Frontline). I would really like to see more coverage (I know it is difficult) about why there is so much hatred for the US there. This is of course beyond the obvious reasons of which there are many. How is the current Saudi government going to hold on to power once we are gone? Does Al Queda see the US talk of withdrawl as a sign of weakness or was this bombing a warning for Powell?
Yeah! (And thank God we weren't attacked by terrorists before Bush...) Good one liner. However, ..... The Sharonist and now the Bu****es believe that the only way to deal with terrorism is invasion, and occupation. Hasn't worked in Israel in 50 years. Many, including the CIA ,predicted that the invasion of Iraq would increase terrorism against Americans living abroad. Looks like they were right. Are you suggesting that this type of thing was so frequent before that to suggest the Iraq invasion could have spurred it was ridiculous? As far as I know there has been only one prior attack on US citizens working in Saudi Arabia. Isn't it logical that the greatly increased hatred of America in the region could have led to this event, which was only a month later. Or are you going to go back to the old "9/11 changed everything" thing? so need to analyze further.
1. that's right...it's our fault they target our civilians. again. 2. yes...all democrat presidents dealt properly with terrorism...clinton did a splendid job, in particular. republicans, though, clearly have done an awful job with it. the number of terrorist incidents around the world diminished from 2001 to 2002...but that's irrelevant.
I'm sorry, but we've been attacked repeatedly after pretty much doing nothing during the last 12 years or so. 9/11 happened after we pretty much did nothing. We are going to be attacked as long as megalomaniacs like Bin Laden who have large financial resources are around. They will always FIND something to be mad at us about. Sometimes it will be legitimate and sometimes it will be trumped up to rally the troops. You accuse Bush of trumping up stuff to "rally the troops" so why not Bin Laden? One of Bin Laden's beefs with us was having troops in Saudi Arabia. Now we are removing them (because Iraq is no longer a threat) and we still get attacked. We will always be attacked (verbally, economically, politically, etc...) as long as we are the "big guys on the block".
Yep. I wish we could go back to the pre-GWB era when there were no terrorist attacks against Americans. While I don't agree with occupation and think the overall goal should be (now that we have invaded and overthrown) to at least set-up a government that isn't directly controlled by us, I don't think you can find any increase in attacks against Americans overall since the Iraq war. Maybe such an increase will come to bear, but we can't say that at this point after one attack because we did have attacks against Americans before the Iraq invasion. Or at least I seem to remember a few.
....and in fact, building on mrpaige's post, weren't we told that the two were mutually exclusive...that there were no connections with iraq and terrorism? why would al qaeda be pissed off about iraq if they all hated each other anyway, as we were told? al qaeda has traditionally been pissed off about saudi arabia since gulf war i...not that we attacked...but that we're somehow less than human (infidels) and have no place on their soil. a balanced and fair view, to be sure, but one i don't find myself respecting all that often.
These people have targeted us before Iraq and they will target us after Iraq. Had we not liberated Iraq, they would still target us. If we pull every single troop out of the Middle East, they will still target us. They hate us. Doesn't matter who you voted for in 2000, or whether you were for or against the war in Iraq. They believe it's their "religious duty" to kill all of us. glynch, since you don't approve of the way the current administration has fought the war on terror so far, how would you do it?
Liberated . . i like that For the record. . . and not being funny or anything .. . why EXACTLY do they hate america. . . . I require something more than simply hating on the big guys I think we find the reason for the hate .. . we find the solution Rocket River
Check the Koran...or more specifically their interpretation of it. We are all "infidels". They think it's their "duty" to kill all infidels.
Their "solution" is for us to convert to a radical Islamic government...or die. Period. No amount of reasoning or negotiations will keep them from hating us.
You honestly think that the dominant view of Muslims is that we are all infidels...and that it is their duty to kill us? You really believe that!?!? If you're joking, ok then, I guess...but if you're serious...wow.
HOly SH**!!! I just got back to saudi arabia, now that those attacks have happened, my compound has road blocks on the streets that lead to it and also there are American armed Forces outside of the wall, I could hardly see them until we pulled up right next to them. wow, Big guns. I gotta say rthough., that does make me feel a lot safer. Our police force (company ran) is not really a force. The cops at the gates are armed with hand guns the rest dont have weapons (pepper spray maybe). But now I am not sure. The guards with guns at the walls, road blocks. Its about time.
