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The T-Mac Theory: Why we're bad when he's good

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Streets 01, Nov 8, 2008.

  1. ronnymac

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    The other problem is that both yao and mcgradfy are on the decline. tmacs been on the decline for the last 2 years. yao is going through a big physicall decline right now. tmac has done well by changing his game accordingly. yao needs to change his slipping game as well. big fella needs to start using that body from here on.
     
  2. Spacemoth

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    Last year we went 6-0, and T-Mac was nuts in that stretch.

    We can win any number of ways. It's just that the way we're playing right now, we weren't going to be beating any good teams. That's the team's fault, not T-Mac's. Case in point: we played ugly ball in the 4th quarter last night despite T-Mac sitting for all of it.
     
  3. McGreat1

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    come on y'all TMAC was playing w/ a flu...the guy just needs to get physically healthy,then we will see how he commits himself on D.bottom line TMAC can turn it up when he wants to and he's shown that through his years here in houston.

    he was the only one the jazz were guarding last april and yet was still able to put up those numbers.

    but nice analysis dude.
     
  4. DVauthrin

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    I wouldn't be lecturing someone who has been a member of this site 9 years longer than you on how to reply to posts. I didn't misread anything.

    My response was based on your sarcastic reply(trying to suggest he doesn't make the right decision that often) and the fact that you would even discuss that after the game he had in Portland. I felt then, and still do that it was needless nitpicking on your part.
     
  5. killlogan

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    I'm happy to see his GREAT performance last night, at least he didn't miss a free throw. He hit both.
    For one thing, we'd better see the positive behalf more than the negative part. Tmac has shown his improvement last night in limiting his turnovers.
     
  6. shakegod

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    Rockets play poorly is not his fault,for nobody can score point he do it,assists, rebounds,he also want to help us win the matches,we still remember the 2nd game vs Utah in playoffs,he really do good
     
  7. dakeem1

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    He's not saying that T-Mac causes losses. He is saying that T-Mac only plays well when we lose. There's a difference there.

    I say that if we don't get passed first round, we trade T-Mac for a whole bunch of adelman type players.
     
  8. dakeem1

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    really sorry for the double post. I only realised to add this the second I clicked the post button.

    Anyway, regarding the previous post.. I'm not jumping on the trade Tmac bandwagon right now. What I'm saying is that we give this team a chance. If we get passed the first round, we should keep tmac coz we have a 2 seasons window after this to win a championship, and we can do it assuming this current team can prove they can excel in the playoffs (even for one series only).

    If we bow out in the 1st round again, THEN I will be on the trade tmac bandwagon.

    I think a Team with Yao and Artest can go all the way if we have the right Adelman style role players around them.

    Maybe we can work on a deal for rip hamilton in the offseason.

    This is all hypothetical right now, because as I say, if things go well, we just keep tmac and see how things go.
     
  9. t_mac1

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    if fans like you and the OP watch the games, you would know the 2 losses this year are mostly due to defense and def. rebounding.

    tracy playing well offensively is never a negative. scola and brooks also played well when tracy played well.

    and people forgot tracy was our leading scoring in that thunder game, so we do win when he plays well.
     
  10. machange

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    inft wo shoud wait lolololollll
     
  11. wekko368

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    Frankly, I don't care how long you've been a member. You think I should automatically respect you because you've been a member for 9 years? Sorry, but respect should be earned, not given. In any case, no matter how you cut it, reading comprehension is reading comprehension.


    The topic was Tmac's decision making and how it was usually good (9 times out of 10 was the assertion). I disagreed and pointed out that his last shot against Portland was a terribly ill-advised shot.

    Needless nitpicking? Hardly. He had been having success by attacking the rim. He knew that this would be the best way to help the team since his jumper was off. Despite this, he still settled for a long 2 pt attempt that missed so badly that it instigated a Portland fast break that gave them the lead.
     
  12. t_mac1

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    he just had made 2 consecutive jumpers before that (including the pump fake over aldridge). his J wasn't really off that night. it wasn't the best shot, but tmac had confidence in that game to shoot that shot. like i said, i preferred him to drive, but that wasn't a "bad" shot by any means. not the best, but not "bad" either.

    again, you are nitpicking. he was playing terrific the entire 4th quarter and OT, making the right decisions. didn't carelessly turn over the ball, didn't take wild shots... that's all you want from your team down the stretch. hang onto the ball and get good shots.
     
  13. DVauthrin

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    I have earned plenty of respect here(ask around), but I have no problem with you wanting someone to earn it. That said, you called me out for "poor" reading comprehension when that was never the case so I responded in kind.

    Also, 1 "questionable" decision doesn't disprove his 9/10 statement and I stand by my statement that criticizing that play is nitpicking at best. He was the reason the team was in the game in the first place.
     
  14. SuperMarioBro

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    You know, the way people are talking on this board, you would almost think that the Rockets were NOT just a couple possessions away from having a 6-0 record amidst a pretty tough start to the season...
     
  15. wekko368

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    The original assertion was that he makes the correct decision 9 times out of 10. I responded that in the Portland game, his last decision was incorrect (sorry, but you cant consider it a questionable decision by any stretch of the imagination).

    You call this nitpicking. That means that in your eyes, the play in question is relatively trivial. Do you not realize that this was his most important decision of the game?

    You consider that luck shot over Aldridge a sign of his jump shooting proficiency? He was just trying to draw the foul...I dont think even he believed that would go in. McGrady even said that the reason he was playing more aggressively (attacking the rim) was b/c he didnt feel good about his jumper.

    I just hope that in the future, with the game on the line and the ball in his hands, Tmac stays aggressive and doesnt settle for long jumpers.
     
  16. DVauthrin

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    First of all, yes you can call it a questionable decision. It was only incorrect because he missed the shot. Second, all plays count the same regardless of when they happen. The team doesn't even have a chance to win without his 2nd half performance. That one play is not more important than the others he made throughout the game.

    Just like Brandon Roy had a crappy game regardless of him hitting a lucky game winning shot. If roy had played better before those two OT shots, they might have won in regulation. He gets a pass for his lousy game because he made that shot, but he shouldn't.
     
  17. wekko368

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    I've already listed several reasons why it was a bad shot to take. If you're going to ignore them, theres nothing I can do about that.

    Am I to understand that in your eyes, the first play of the game (when the score is 0-0) is equally important as the last play of the game (lets say the score is 100-100)?

    Of course it is. That was potentially the Rockets' last possession of the game.

    I guess the difference in our opinions is that I believe a player should play smart for the entire game and you believe a player should play smart long enough to keep his team in the game.
     
  18. DVauthrin

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    I'm not ignoring them. If he makes the shot, it's not a terrible decision, and therefore it falls in the realm of questionable decisions.

    Correct. If you score on the first play, you don't need a last second shot to necessarily win the game. All plays count the same on the scoreboard and if the rockets had done more prior to the last play in OT, they don't need yao's miracle to try to steal the game.

    No, the difference in our opinions is no player is perfect and will make mistakes and you overstate the importance of the timing of the play. It doesn't matter whether those mistakes are made on the first play of the game or the last, as they both affect the outcome of the game equally.
     
  19. t_mac1

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    i think you live in an ideal world. if that is your criticism of tracy, in that he doesn't play smart for AN ENTIRE GAME, then you must think he's the best player in the history of mankind b/c even the greatest players have made mistakes throughout a game, even in crucial moments.
     
  20. wekko368

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    Lets say Tmac pulls down a defensive rebound with 5 minutes left in the period and a full 24 second shot clock at his disposal. He then decides to pull up for a 75 ft jumper which he makes.

    According to your logic, this is not a terrible decision since it went in.

    You are absolutely, 100% wrong.

    If one play is changed during the game, every subsequent play will change accordingly. For instance, lets say Yao missed his free throw at the end of the game. According to your logic, we would've lost by 3 pts.

    But in reality, no one knows. The game would've gone into a 2nd overtime.
     

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