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[The Surge] Three months in...

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by mc mark, Apr 18, 2007.

  1. glynch

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    Only if they benefit from government contracts, for example, war and Halliburotn. Otherwise shrink government till you can drown it in a bathtub. In other words if they don't make $$ on it, it is excess government spending. If it goes to other individuals it is "welfare" of one type on another.

    If their companies benefit from the government contracts than this makes them "rugged, risk-taking businessmen or wormen."
     
  2. mc mark

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    Some more background on the new war czar via Josh --

    On President Bush's 'war czar' ...

    From a knowledgable TPM Reader ...


    And from tonight's Nelson Report ...

    -- Josh Marshall
    http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
     
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    Bush could double force by Christmas

    Stewart M. Powell, Hearst Newspapers

    (05-22) 04:00 PDT Washington -- The Bush administration is quietly on track to nearly double the number of combat troops in Iraq this year, an analysis of Pentagon deployment orders showed Monday.

    The little-noticed second surge, designed to reinforce U.S. troops in Iraq, is being executed by sending more combat brigades and extending tours of duty for troops already there.

    The actions could boost the number of combat soldiers from 52,500 in early January to as many as 98,000 by the end of this year if the Pentagon overlaps arriving and departing combat brigades.

    Separately, when additional support troops are included in this second troop increase, the total number of U.S. troops in Iraq could increase from 162,000 now to more than 200,000 -- a record-high number -- by the end of the year.

    The numbers were arrived at by an analysis of deployment orders by Hearst Newspapers.

    "It doesn't surprise me that they're not talking about it," said retired Army Maj. Gen. William Nash, a former U.S. commander of NATO troops in Bosnia, referring to the Bush administration. "I think they would be very happy not to have any more attention paid to this."

    http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/05/22/MNG7QPV65N1.DTL
     
  4. Deckard

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    More lies from the President. He makes Nixon look like a combo meal of FDR and Everett Dirksen. The man cannot tell the truth. What's his problem? Does he think the American people can't handle the truth? Is Bush simply incapable of operating as President in a republic and a democracy? I think he would be far happier with a "democracy" like Mubarak has in Egypt. A farce.



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  5. updawg

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    too bad they didn't listen to the Generals to begin with and go with a larger number of troops in the beginning.
     
  6. glynch

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    Too bad they (Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice etc.) did not listen to the overriding opinion world wide, the leaders of majors religions, Christian denominations, political parties, Bush I or his circle, almost anybody except Chalabi, Judith Miller and so on or their own cabal.
     
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    history doesn't forget
     
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    "What experience and history teach is this - that nations and governments have never learned anything from history, or acted upon any lessons they might have drawn from it."
     
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    Well not that negatve. Dumb folks like Dugya,yes, the smart folk learn a bit from history, hence the halting move toward progress in human history. ;)
     
  10. Surfguy

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    Three months in...and a lemonade stand on every Baghdad street corner.

    The plan is working. Fight terrorism with cheap lemonade. ;)
     
  11. Deckard

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    The American people are not buying Bush's invasion and occupation of Iraq. From the Times:


    May 25, 2007

    Poll Shows View of Iraq War Is Most Negative Since Start

    By DALIA SUSSMAN

    Americans now view the war in Iraq more negatively than at any time since the invasion more than four years ago, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

    Sixty-one percent of Americans say the United States should have stayed out of Iraq and 76 percent say things are going badly there, including 47 percent who say things are going very badly, the poll found.


    Still, the majority of Americans support continuing to finance the war as long as the Iraqi government meets specific goals.

    President Bush’s approval ratings remain near the lowest of his more than six years in office. Thirty percent approve of the job he is doing over all, while 63 percent disapprove.

    More Americans — 72 percent — now say that “generally things in the country are seriously off on the wrong track” than at any other time since the Times/CBS News poll began asking the question in 1983. The number has slowly risen since January 2004. Then, 53 percent said the country was “seriously off on the wrong track,” and by January of this year it was 68 percent.

    Public support for the war has eroded. In January 2003, 64 percent of Americans said the United States did the right thing in taking military action in Iraq and 28 percent said the United States should have stayed out. The current numbers are nearly reversed, with 35 percent saying the United states did the right thing and 61 percent saying the country should have stayed out. In January of this year, 58 percent said the United States should have stayed out of Iraq and 38 percent said going in was the right thing.


    The nationwide telephone poll was conducted Friday through Wednesday with 1,125 adults. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus three percentage points.

    A majority, 76 percent, including 51 percent of Republicans, say additional troops sent to Iraq this year by Mr. Bush either have had no impact or are making things worse. Twenty percent of all respondents say the increase is improving the situation.

    Most Americans support a timetable for withdrawal. Sixty-three percent say the United States should set a date for withdrawing troops from Iraq sometime in 2008.

    While troops are still in Iraq, Americans overwhelming support continuing to finance the war, though most want to do so with conditions. Thirteen percent want Congress to block all money for the war.

    Sixty-nine percent, including 62 percent of Republicans, say Congress should allow financing, but on the condition that the United States sets benchmarks for progress and the Iraqi government meets those goals. Fifteen percent of all respondents want Congress to allow all financing for the war, no matter what.

    The poll found Americans are more likely to trust the Democratic Party than the Republican Party to make the right decisions about the war in Iraq. Slightly more than half of those polled, 51 percent, said the Democratic Party was more likely than the Republican Party to make the right decisions about the war.

    More broadly, 53 percent of those polled say they have a favorable opinion of the Democratic Party, while 38 percent have a favorable view of the Republican Party. The Republican Party has not had a majority positive rating in Times/CBS News polls since December 2003.

    As for Mr. Bush, 23 percent approve of his handling of the situation in Iraq, 72 percent disapprove; 25 percent approve of his handling of foreign policy, 65 percent disapprove; and 27 percent approve of his handling of immigration issues, while 60 percent disapprove.


    On the economy, 36 percent approve of his handling of the issue, and 56 percent disapprove. In the campaign against terrorism, 42 percent approve, and 52 percent disapprove.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/25/washington/25view.html


    Bush and his most diehard supporters are living in a dream world of their own making. The American people think Bush is a disaster as President. They don't support his war in Iraq. Hell, they support little of what he is doing. The elections in '08 look to be a landslide for the Democratic Party. As a Democrat, I think that's wonderful. As an American, I just wish Bush would listen to the American people, instead of the voice he must have droning in his head, telling him a reality that would best be described as an alternate universe. Bush is divorced from reality.

    Now, I've been hearing that Turkey may invade Northern Iraq, which could lead to war between Iraq and Turkey, with the United States smack dab in the middle. Turkey is seriously thinking of invading that "success story" that keeps being touted by the Bush Administration. The Kurdish region. And I'm not at all surprised. Wars have unintended consequences. (I wonder how many times I've posted that in this forum) That is why you do not go to war unless the security of your nation is at risk and it's vital interests, and that of it's allies, are severely threatened. You do not go to war unless there is no other option, because you just can't predict what might happen or, in Bush's case, you can have a leader who choses to ignore the predictions of experts, as well, compounding his stupidity.



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  12. mc mark

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    Times Up!

    Maliki, Nov.30, 2006

    AMMAN, Jordan - Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki said Thursday that his country's forces would be able to assume security command by June 2007 — which could allow the United States to start withdrawing its troops.

    "I cannot answer on behalf of the U.S. administration but I can tell you that from our side our forces will be ready by June 2007," Maliki told ABC television after meeting President Bush on Thursday in Jordan.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15946832/
     
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