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The state of the republican party

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 21, 2021.

  1. Buck Turgidson

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    "as history has taught and current polling affirms..."

    "from now until election day, 2024, I will continue with my tireless efforts and singular focus on growing our majority in the 119th Congress..."

    Hell of a stand on principles, Mike

    Mayor Quimby : Very well. If that is the way the winds are blowing, let no one say that I don't also blow.
     
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    Nah you hear a lot from the Tea Party and Libertarians these days....those are the "MAGA Republicans" now, which also includes many more Mexicans than 2016, so not sure about that line you had there.
     
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    Sarah Beth Clendaniel had held Nazi beliefs since she was 13, and as an adult, in failing health and believing she had less than a year to live, decided she wanted to put her thoughts into action. Conspiring with a neo-Nazi leader, she put together a plan to take out power substations around the Baltimore region.

    Even after pleading guilty to charges related to the foiled plot, federal prosecutors say the 36-year-old remained in contact with leaders of the so-called Terrorgram Collective while behind bars.

    U.S. District Judge James K. Bredar scoffed when her defense attorney told him that it was her opinion that her client would not have followed through. He said she needed to be “incapacitated,” and sentenced her to 18 years in federal prison followed by lifetime supervised release.

    “As I sit here today, I’m not convinced the defendant isn’t ... capable of acting on that inclination,” Bredar said.

    Clendaniel was arrested in February 2023 after corresponding for months with a government source to plot the attack, which prosecutors said would have caused $75 million worth of damage to energy stations alone, not including the ripple effects of such a catastrophe. A co-defendant, Brandon Clint Russell, is scheduled to go to trial later this year.

    Public defender Sedira Banan asked the court to consider Clendaniel’s traumatic life experiences dating to her childhood, which she described as the most profound she had ever seen. That trauma was not detailed in court, but involved physical abuse and at one point living underneath a bridge. Banan said Clendaniel had not a single meaningful, positive relationship in her life, nor any meaningful interventions or therapy.

    She pointed to that as an explanation for Clendaniel’s continued communication with Russell and another alleged Terrorgram member, Dallas Humber, who is awaiting trial in California after being accused of soliciting hate crimes, soliciting the killings of federal officials, and conspiring to provide material support to terrorists.

    “This is the community she has known,” Banan said.

    With counseling, she was capable of change, Banan said, asking Bredar to sentence Clendaniel to 10 years behind bars.

    Russell, a leader of the neo-Nazi group Atomwaffen Division, had been encouraging attacks on electrical substations for years and providing guidance on how to cause maximum damage, according to authorities. During one conversation with the source, Russell said that “putting holes in transformers ... is the greatest thing somebody can do.” He and Clendaniel began communicating while both were behind bars.

    Bredar asked Assistant U.S. Attorney Kathleen Gavin whether she believed Russell and Clendaniel were equally culpable in the power substation plot. She paused before responding, “Yes.”

    “She was a full-in, complete member of this white supremacist, accelerationist movement, and was intent on committing an act that would bring her glory and help bring about societal chaos,” Gavin said.

    The federal sentencing guidelines called for a sentence of 30 to 35 years. Prosecutors asked for 18 years, taking into consideration her decision to plead guilty.

    In a letter to Bredar, Clendaniel said she had realized through speaking with a psychologist that the terror plot had been pursued out of weakness.

    “Feeling weak, powerless and scared made me want to do something to feel powerful and in control because I felt so helpless and out of control in every aspect of my life,” she wrote.

    Clendaniel told Bredar in court that she was “grateful” that she got arrested before the plot was carried out, though she doubted she would have followed through.

    “It’s true, your honor, I hold national socialist beliefs,” she said. “I would never do anything ... to act on those beliefs.”

    Banan encouraged Bredar to engage in a dialogue with Clendaniel, and after addressing him, Clendaniel asked Bredar if he had any questions for her. He said no.
     
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    I think a bunch of them are
    Touting infrastructure projects passed by the prior Congress which many of them voted against.
     
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    Gen alpha uses Ohio to mean weird and cringe. I think they nailed it.
     
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    I’m watching Marco Rubio on MTP and he’s talking about federal help for the areas hit by the Helene. Even as he backs a candidate and policies that will make it harder for federal help for disasters.
     
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    Every time you turn around it seems the MAGA Republicans get more and more racist, violent and disturbing.

    You have Trump on Sunday advocated for police to be allowed “one really violent day” in which they could be “extraordinarily rough” with anyone they suspect of a crime.

    “One rough hour, and I mean real rough, the word will get out, and it will end immediately. End immediately,” Trump said of his plan to stop crime. “You know, it’ll end immediately.”

    Then you have another GOP racist, Clay Higgins tweeting...

    “Haitians are wild” and that Haiti is the “nastiest country in the western hemisphere.” He also promoted a false claim about Haitian migrants in Ohio eating pets.

    “All these thugs better get their mind right and their a– out of our country before January 20th,”

    Rep. Clay Higgins’ Extremely Racist Tweet Is Only the Tip of the Iceberg. His recent post is just one example of a long history of his disturbingly racist and violent beliefs and actions.

    His record includes allegedly putting a gun to the head of one of his ex-wives, voting for a neo-Nazi, and assaulting an unarmed Black man while working as a cop.

    https://www.motherjones.com/politic...-tweet-springfield-gun-wives-nazi-david-duke/
     
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    That is creepy AF.
     
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    most of us Mexicans are conservative, the fact that the GOP lost so many of us since Bush should be telling...
     
  15. Scarface281

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    Actually, you're missing the fact that Trump helped reverse that trend of losing Hispanic voters at large (not just Mexicans). In 2016, he got 28%, but by 2020, he increased that to 38%, a 10% jump. So saying the GOP has been losing Mexicans since Bush isn’t quite true anymore.

    If anything, Trump has been pulling them back in. Hitting 40% in 2024 isn’t unrealistic at all considering the gains he’s already made (W's high was 44%).
     
  16. Nook

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    Trump has gained some support in 2024 with Hispanics so far - most of the larger polls have Harris with a +14 with Hispanics, but that is less than 2020 or 2016.

    The Republicans actually won the Hispanic vote in 2004, which is likely why the other poster brought it up.

    Overall it isn't surprising that Hispanics are voting more Republican - the Italians, Irish and other groups have historically done the same. Once a group begins to become socially mobile, they tend to vote more conservatively.

    Most the gains have been with Hispanic men though - Hispanic women are still solidly Democrats--- which plays into the gender divide in this country in 2024.
     
  17. rocketsjudoka

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    I saw Kornacki breakdown of the polling on the Hispanic vote and it resembles the white vote.

    This goes to a point that I’ve long made that why this idea of a “great replacement theory”
    Is fundamentally flawed. Immigrants, even those whose family came here illegally tend to end up voting like other Americans. Contrary to what many are pushing immigrants do assimilate within a generation or two culturally and politically.
     
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  18. Nook

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    Absolutely- and historically there have been other groups that struggled or were labeled as incapable of “blending in”.

    Jews and Italians were closely associated with anarchists and communism. There were anarchists and communists in the USA that were “illegally” in the USA detonating bombs in America - calling for the overthrow of democracy. They were not viewed as “white” because they were Jewish and Catholic. There were open calls to send all of them back to Europe because they were “crooks”. Jews and Italians were called problems by prominent Americans.

    Yet - a generation later they were not only “American”, they largely were viewed as White and Patriotic. Suddenly Italian and Jew were not “other” but part of the establishment. We are seeing it happen with Mexicans in America.

    The melting pot is undefeated - prosperity and opportunity ultimately beat out cultural history and bias.

    You would think self proclaimed patriots would be proud of this fact - rather than complaining about Haitians and everyone else that just wants opportunity.
     
  19. rocketsjudoka

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    Lets not forget how badly the Irish were treated and now many of those who were descended from people who were also said to have been bringing crime and disease, who's loyalties could never be trusted, and would undermine US culture are saying the same thing about immigrants now.
     
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    “Shanty Irish”… not WASPS… actual arguments were made that the Irish were NOT white (because in the white centric view - white is the best)… drunks… strong backs but soft brains.

    That belief system STILL exists in Ireland and Northern Ireland today.

    Japanese Americans - Chinese Americans both have faced extreme racism and laws passed to prevent them from coming to the United States. How much better would the USA be had Asian Americans not been all but completely excluded from US immigration for nearly 100 years. Look at the contributions to America and consider.

    A lot of very short sighted and intellectual dishonesty right now in US politics when it comes to immigration and immigrants. It concerns me because it can lead to stagnation.
     

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